And rightly so! Save the Llamas!
Can someone explain me what’s the business model of an app that’s free for three decades? They claim to have 100 devs, how can they pay them?
The current revived version appears to be tied to a content streaming platform for “creators,” and also sells NFT’s. The mothership certainly gets a cut of all of those sales. Just like seemingly every other techbro venture nowadays, their business model entirely revolves around being a “service,” and the media player itself is apparently just a side hobby. (Note that this is basically exactly the same mutation that happened to Napster. That worked well.)
Otherwise, the answer is sponsorship by a corporate sugar daddy. Even the OG Winamp was sponsored by and then ultimately bought outright by AOL.
sells NFTs*
They’re sponsored by WinRAR. Those guys are loaded.
Is this real?
I’m thinking no.
No, sorry, it’s a jab about how no one paid for WinRAR either.
WinRAR did make piles of money by focusing on the commercial market. They really didn’t care if home users went past the free trial period, but they did care if you were a business.
I don’t know what WinAmp does, or ever did.
Real player is more of an alternative to winamp, I was surprised to see real.com. So no…
I am proud to be one of the 2.6k people who illegally forked winamp
vlc my beloved
WACUP
Replacing native Winamp code with modern code with frequent updates by one of the most prolific classic Winamp developers.
It’s fantastic.
What a shame that it isn’t open source.
I’ll happily continue to use Audacious with a Winamp skin.
Well, given the very unorthodox nature of it as it is today, I don’t know that Dr0 can legally open source it until he’s finished replacing literally all legacy functions with new code, even if they wanted to. But I can understand your position.
Whether that’s the case or not, I think it is secondary to the fact that he clearly says on the website that he definitely doesn’t want it to go open source, for as long as he is working on it.
He defines that as wanting to be in control of the project so long as he has the passion to work on it solo. But it’s somewhat implied that if he had to let it go, he may open source his work. I can understand that. DrO was one of the primary and most prolific Winamp plugin devs back in it’s heyday as well. So if you ever used Winamp itself (closed source) you have already trusted his code on much more vulnerable OSes, imo.
I feel like he’s earned the limited trust this requires.
Geiss support tho?
But does it whip the llamas ass?
Naturally
wacup! it really whips the ladspa’s ass!
And you can set the visuals to unlimited fps, which is fun on a good screen
Unsurprising given that their repo’s license was a contradictory mess
Anyways I’d recommend using Strawberry instead
It’s an actual Free and Open Source music player:
I mostly use mpv to play local music nowadays. (Most of the music I play is streamed using a Navidrome server with Feishin as the frontend.) Back when I did use a proper audio player on Linux, Harmonoid was my go-to.
Strawberry doesn’t support about a dozen audio formats I use, so until it’s got wider support I have to pass.
You have support for .wav .flac .mp3 .opus, why would you use anything else?
Because hard drives aren’t getting any bigger lately and I don’t want to multiply the size of my videogame music collection by ten?
You are saving your music in a format more efficient than opus or aac? What format is that?
Chiptune formats for retro videogame music can be very efficient. Just picking two with particularly good music, I have a 21 KB (0.02 MB) file storing 28:30 of music and 4.72 MB of files storing 1:54:48 of music, both at source quality.
The catch is that they are designed exclusively to rip chiptunes from retro videogames as close as the format designers and player coders could manage to the original. So even the oversized ones like the 4.72 MB of files extracted from a 3 MB game are going to be far smaller than a general use format like opus. But you can’t encode your own music in the format without going to massive effort to code it like you would an authentic chiptune, and you’re unlikely to like the results.
Damn, may I ask how big your entire library is? At those sizes, you can store more music than I’ll ever need in a couple of gbs.
Everything filed under “Chiptune”, excluding the AT3 and MAB files which are effectively general purpose music formats, comes to 1.14 GB for 4211 items totaling 158:50:29. There are a lot of duplicates in there, because for a lot of these items it’s more trouble to hunt down a replacement copy than it is to store a backup.
The catch, of course, is that it’s all retro videogame music from bleep to bloop.
Can you name the format you’re using to store 1:54:48 of music in 4.72 MB?
Those are SPC files, and that particular example was one rip of Final Fantasy VI (III)'s soundtrack.
Unfortunately, it only handles music embedded in Super Famicom/Super Nintendo games. To convert your own music to SPC, you’d have to rewrite it for the SNES sound chip.
If it doesn’t play Amiga era .mod files, is it really even a music player?
Funny enough, it does. Here’s the full list of supported formats. Line 54:
const char FileView::kFileFilter = ".wav *.flac *.wv *.ogg *.oga *.opus *.spx *.ape .mpc " ".mp2 *.mp3 *.m4a *.mp4 *.aac *.asf *.asx .wma " ".aif *.aiff *.mka *.tta *.dsf .dsd " ".cue *.m3u *.m3u8 *.pls *.xspf .asxini " ".ac3 .dts " ".mod *.s3m *.xm .it" ".spc *.vgm";
Although like .spc, it doesn’t support seeking, you have to listen to the whole file in order or restart for the beginning.
Lovely that it is open source, but dear lord that UI is a blast from the past 😂😂 👴👵🏚️
It’s an Amarok fork, so yes
Oh that makes sense. I think I last used Amarok 20 years ago.
So that’s why I thought: finally a viable Amarok replacement.
Most players out there seem to be built for like 40 songs?
It’s ugly af. Hope some designer can volunteer to set them straight.
I’m using foobar2000. Should I be using something else?
Still miss foobar which isn’t on Linux, though deadbeef is fairly similar at least. Never got the hang of all the beautiful themes/skins users put together for foobar but it was still my go to music player. Excellent layout customisation, tagging and conversion UI, as well as as nice range of plugins
I really like deadbeef, coming from fb2k as well. Someone recommended it to me two weeks ago, and I’ve immediately recognized the similarities.
Foobar’s Dev should have just taken their project open source imo. Although I suspect winamp’s lawyers would have jumped on that.
I’m an old soul so I use music bee with the Tron skin, it’s very 2000s
Foobar is still the best there is, although the classic style interface might not appeal to younger people.
kicked by the llamas ass
Is it still possible to get the source code? I never knew it was available.
What is this “AtRiskRepos” thing? 👀
No idea. I found the link over at Hacker News from this comment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41861376
It’s a place for software that comes from a broken home and would otherwise be hanging out on the street in high-crime areas.
At risk of un open sourcing their code, taking their ball and going home
I used VLC before and ill continue using VLC
VLC UX kinda sucks, but it does everything I need it to.
What sucks about it? I just use it because it seems to play literally any video format
The UX.
The functionality is great, and like you said, it can play pretty much anything. But the UX feels like it’s stuck in the late 90s, and the following are more ugly and painful than they need to be:
- playlists
- streaming
- converting file types
It can do a ton of stuff, but none of it is particularly intuitive, because the UX sucks. But it works great at the basic functionality I need, which is playing pretty much any video format.
Agreed, considering VLCs functionality it can look ugly as hell
Same even my school used vlc wayy before I knew floss software
I use audacious. It’s perfect.
i use musicbee for audio. vlc for video. musicbee is the most like mediamonkey used to be and free. got into vlc because of its better support of the unusual video formats
I’m surprised they kept it up for so long honestly. It was very clear they had no fucking clue what they were doing. What with the nonsensical license that violated Github’s tos, the Dolby Code they leaked, and the fact they kept every commit public for everyone to see.
And it’s not like deleting will fix it now, it’s been copied millions of times now.
