• Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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    That’s why I tell people who are into political theory that we need to read books by important and popular ideological opponents to our own beliefs so that we can have a better understanding of things and come to better informed conclusions. My book reading club does not seem interested in that though, which is sad.

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      I think where that gets frustrating is when the book’s argument starts off a ridiculous premise/accepted statement, and then any time spent reading after that is wasted.

      “As we all know, climate change is a conspiracy. Let’s spend 80 pages taking a look at how this belief in it has negatively affected so many people’s lives.”

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        This is kinda the underlying problem with modern political discourse. One side has gone so far off the deep end that there’s genuinely nothing of value that they are adding to the conversation. “The Jewish Space Lasers are manipulating our weather” just isn’t a position that is worth entertaining.

        That being said, it’s still worth reading the literature of the enemy, even if it’s just to know what kinds of ridiculous statements they’re holding as truth. If you don’t know how your opponent’s worldview was constructed, what hope do you have of deconstructing it?

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      My book reading club does not seem interested in that though, which is sad.

      This, right here, is a sign of stupidity.

      If one downplays or denigrates the importance of understanding opponents’ arguments or positions, that is a person incapable of critical thought. They’re not capable of informed decisions, and their opinions on the subjects or opponents in question are worthless.

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        They aren’t against reading these things on your own time, that would be stupid as fuck. That’s just not really why we started the club, as it’s a leftist theory reading club. That’s the argument I’ve been given anyway. But whatever I don’t care, I can read on my own time anyway as well.

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          I think reading Mussolini would be more beneficial to what we are trying to achieve understanding wise. Also Ayn Rand.

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            You’re pretty freaking naive.

            It’s similar to conspiracy debunkers and how they sometimes fall prey to the conspiracies they debunk. If you read enough of their shit, your mind fills with shit.

            Sometimes it takes hold.

            It shouldn’t be required reading, and bluntly, isn’t necessary are to read Mein Kampf to understand hitler, and giving broad platform is only going to normalize hitler’s rationalizations.

            (And let’s be clear. The rhetoric may not be entirely how he thought. It was propaganda to play up people’s fear- especially fear of the Other.)

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              Banning Mein Kampf and other politically taboo books will never stop people from becoming authoritarian monsters. This pearl clutching about reading material seems to be endless.

              Of course, it shouldn’t be required reading for an average person. It should for someone who claims to be an expert on subjects that are directly related to it.

              If a counter-terrorism intelligence analyst doesn’t read the manifestos of their targets, they can’t do their jobs effectively and should be fired. Doesn’t mean that they secretly harbor a yearning for a “global caliphate” or bombing more federal buildings.

              Normal folks shouldn’t have to read “taboo” material, or anything for that matter (I had to read it for History class), but if they don’t and claim to be experts or pass themselves as authorities on said material, then they’re wannabe know-it-alls whose opinion about it is next to worthless.

              Why? Because they didn’t do the homework related to primary source material and are uninformed about the nature of what they purport to fight against. If reading only Mein Kampf turns you into a national socialist, then you were already a weak-minded idiot. And yes, Nazi Germany was a nation of millions of weak-minded idiots.

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    Me writing a claim that I just kinda guessed was true and then searching for a source to back it up for my bibliography