I don’t get this. AI bros talk about how “in the near future” no one will “need” to be a writer, a filmmaker or a musician anymore, as you’ll be able to generate your own media with your own parameters and preferences on the fly. This, to me, feels like such an insane opinion. How can someone not value the ingenuity and creativity behind a work of art? Do these people not see or feel the human behind it all? And are these really opinions that you’ve encountered outside of the internet?
The invention of production lines didn’t mean that nobody appreciated hand-built cars any longer - it just meant a cheaper option was now available to more people.
The invention of phonographs, records, cd etc, didn’t mean that nobody appreciated live music anymore - it just meant that there was now a more accessible option available.
Every job in arts and engineering can, has and will be automated to some extent - it doesn’t mean the death of those industries, or a lack of appreciation for the creativity involved.
I think the real benefit comes from when the creatives use the tools to do the heavy lifting. Every new innovation sees a glut of low-effort money-saving cash-ins. After a while, however, these fall to the wayside as the people who actually have the skills take over again.
More than ten years ago, I wrote a song for my daughter. I recorded it, animated a little video, and uploaded it to youTube. I’d written several more songs for her, but had never found the time necessary to actually record the songs and create videos for them. Because of AI tools, I’ve finally been able to make significant headway on a couple of songs/videos that I’ve had rattling around in my head for years.
We’re just in a transition period. Like George Lucas’s over-reliance on CG in the prequels - although it looked pretty great at the time but now looks thoroughly artificial.
I’ll argue with this one. The only live music anyone appreciates now is going to see world famous commercial artists made popular by their records, cds, etc. And half of those shows is preprogrammed.
Live music used to be: if you have some friends over and want to liven it up, one of them plays the piano, or a pub has a live set of musicians who can read the room and play what people want at the tempo they want depending on if they want to dance or not. Read Little House on the Prairie and pay close attention to the scenes where Pa gets out his fiddle. Pure magic.
You can say that people still appreciate live music because some of them still go out to Taylotlr Swift concerts, but the world of handmade music from before was absolutely killed off by radio, records, etc. That world is alive in tiny pockets at best.
Remind me how much electricity production lines, phonographs and CGI use, or how much they rely on art theft simply to exist, or how they pose as an expert on a subject and feed people misinformation, or how they allow people to literally stop thinking and let it write everything and form every opinion for them?
They absolutely do all those things though? Like render farms consume fucktons of electricity and they absolutely rely on theft because every artist uses references not to mention asset packs etc. and you are absolutely posing as an expert on the subject feeding people misinformation without any AI (probably). I’m sure someone editing film would consider your optimised premiere shortcut stream deck a device for someone who’s “stopped thinking” as well, without any AI at all.
None of the things I mentioned are even close to as horrible as AI is in those ways. Either you’re being disingenuous bc you think you need chat gpt to think for you, or you just have no idea at all what “AI” is and really need to do a lot of research on how harmful it is. Comparing CGI render farms to AI servers? Comparing human inspiration and paid for asset packs to a computer rearranging existing, stolen art? You’re not serious are you?
Woah woah turn down the projection man. I don’t use gippity lol.
I think I do, but feel free to enlighten me.
Are you a “do your own research” type, or are you going to state your case?
Yes.
Actually I only advocate for locally run FOSS AI models because I’m anti-commercial-AI and broadly anti-capitalist as a whole.
So do tell me, how does my one gayming RTX GPU that can just about accommodate an LLM or SDXL compare to a render farm for Netflix/Hollywood slop powered by coal in third world country sweatshops they outsource to?
“Our glorious inspiration” “Their stolen art”
You don’t come off as mentally stable my friend, maybe log off and calm down for a bit?
BTW if you unironically think that original art inspired by previous works is actually comparable to a computer scraping and slapping random bullshit together, you don’t know jack shit about art or the “AI” you so desperately need
More projection. Why even respond if you have no counterpoint? If I’m such a nitwit gippity user, it shouldn’t be hard for you to enlighten us all, should it?
I’m not AI expert, but I understand the basic principles behind diffusers and I’ve written a few tiny image classifiers in python for fun before. Surely an expert like yourself can do better?
Hey if you can’t actually make a solid argument for why “AI” is actually fine, there’s always calling the other person insane :D your use of an LLM isn’t any better or less cringe just bc you don’t use chat gpt, you’re still outsourcing your thinking and decision making to a computer, and you still use a fuck of a lot more power than you should on something that is ultimately stupid and pointless. Your life was fine before “AI”, why are you acting like this is some good or helpful or necessary thing at all?
I’m not outsourcing anything, why would you assume so? Do you?
I don’t really use LLMs at all and I haven’t used SD in ages. Are you trying to say art is stupid and pointless?
It was wrong of me to assume you were using it in the wasteful, mindless ways a lot of people use “ai” stuff, I’m sorry for being an asshole about it. Afaik you running stuff like that sometimes isn’t any more wasteful than you spending that time playing games that push your hardware to the max, and I hadn’t thought about that before those replies.
I’ve been really worried about how shady and powerful open ai is and how many people are starting to use it to write science papers and cheat through med school and shit, but other than all the ways corporate “AI” is horrible there’s a lot of cool and fun applications imo, and I’m sorry for assuming you were supporting sam altman’s shenanigans
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