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  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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    1 month ago

    And that’s only for the ones they’ve been directly involved in, as mentioned, there are plenty of brutal civil wars and dictatorships Russia maintains support for a la the US and Israel.

    You’re going beyond the 20 year cutoff but either way that’s still less than half the US total in the same time period.

    Go ahead. I’m very interested in seeing this analysis of how a hollowed-out pariah state up against the foremost military power in the world is comparable to a rotted military a third of its size up against a country materially backed by the entirety of the West.

    Iraq was a hollowed out pariah state in part because of Europe following the American position. Also like I said, a strong European response would’ve lowered the scale of the war, if not outright avoided it. And since we’re talking about Iraq,

    During the 1990s and 2000s, many surveys and studies found child mortality more than doubled during the sanctions,[8][9][10] with estimates ranging from 227,000[11] to 500,000[12] excess deaths among children under the age of 5.

    -Wikipedia

    That’s a quarter to half a million deaths in one country caused solely by American diplomatic and economic clout.

    Bush would’ve had to think twice because, despite being an imperialist fuckwad, he wasn’t an out and out fascist with total control over his own party, likewise compromised of fascists.

    Trump has total control over his party, but he still has people he needs to appease—including the military-industrial complex. I can’t tell you what will result from the inevitable conflict between Trump and the oligarchy, but it’s not going to be good for Trump’s regime.

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      You’re going beyond the 20 year cutoff but either way that’s still less than half the US total in the same time period.

      … how the fuck so

      Casualties for the entirety of the ‘War On Terror’, including seriously wounded (and including part of the period, likewise, ‘beyond the 20 year cutoff’), usually hover around 1.5 million.

      If we’re counting indirect deaths, then we have a lot of ‘fun’ things we can add to Russia’s list.

      Iraq was a hollowed out pariah state in part because of Europe following the American position.

      … yes, because Iraq definitely wasn’t a hollowed-out pariah state following the Iran-Iraq War, and certainly not following their widely condemned invasion which led to the First Gulf War. If it wasn’t for America, Iraq would’ve been enjoying the full fruits of international cooperation just like it did before.

      Also like I said, a strong European response would’ve lowered the scale of the war, if not outright avoided it.

      How the fuck so? By your own admission, it was over in three weeks. If Europe had completely embargo’d the US, it still wouldn’t have changed opinions inside of three weeks.

      That’s a quarter to half a million deaths in one country caused solely by American diplomatic and economic clout.

      First you’re in support of sanctions on aggressive hypermilitarized genocidal states, now in opposition because of the human cost of sanctions.

      Great. Glad we’re dealing with such a principled and consistent stance.

      Trump has total control over his party, but he still has people he needs to appease—including the military-industrial complex.

      Fucking lol.