All countries led by Communist parties have been Socialist, as Communism is a global system of a fully publicly owned economy. Socialism is when public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, while Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-Socialist, global system of full public ownership, ie all “Communist” countries have considered themselves Socialist and building towards Communism.
Social Democracy is not Socialism, Social Democracy has Private Ownership as the principle aspect of its economy. Further, Social Democrats are not Communists to begin with, even if they did have a Socialist economy, that doesn’t mean they will always try to move towards Communism.
Don’t bother mate. All these people commenting are American radicals. Lemmy has received a massive influx of them after Reddit increased its moderation standards. I wish there was a social media platform made just for Europeans so I wouldn’t have to listen to Americans constantly.
As a Romanian myself I could tell them about the horrendous living conditions my relatives had to go through during communism, but it won’t matter. They’ll still chant their nonsense like some drugged priests.
Communism is horrible. It didn’t work, it doesn’t work and it will never work.
Unsurprising, given that the dissolution of the Socialist system resulted in extreme increases in poverty, homelessness, prostitution, drug abuse, and 7 million excess deaths.
Exactly, all because communism paralyzed the economy for a half a century and fixing that mess required more than a decade of hardship.
But you keep deluding yourself with your nonsense. Why don’t you go to North Korea or Cuba if you like communism so much? I’ll buy you a plane ticket if you can’t afford it.
Had the Socialist economy not been dissolved, growth would have surpassed what it is today in the post-Soviet countries. I’m not going to pretend that the economy was perfect, or that Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin’s reforms weren’t harmful for the economy or that the immense destruction and genocide inflicted by the Nazis on the Soviet people’s did no harm to the economy either, but Capitalism didn’t “fix” anything. It allowed foreign Capitalists to freely plunder and loot what was a working system with its own struggles.
Had the USSR implemented reforms to its economy such as those done in the PRC, maintaining Socialism but allowing a more open economy for engagement with the world economy, the best of all worlds may have been achieved. None of the immense pain or misery Capitalism brought, while coupled with the growth Gorbachev sought to achieve through liberalization efforts.
Well… certainly not none of the pain and misery of capitalism, as they’d still be engaged with the capitalist economies of elsewhere and still very subject to exploitation from richer countries. The peoples within the country would’ve almost certainly been on a slightly more even playing field, though. For better or worse… exploitation CAN stamp on most everyone.
Fair enough, my wording implied the reforms of Deng Xiaoping were painless and not without their drawbacks. Certainly, some pain and misery would have come, but not nearly to the extent that the dissolution of the Soviet system entirely has wrought upon Eastern Europe and its connected trading partners in Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, the DPRK, etc.
All countries led by Communist parties have been Socialist, as Communism is a global system of a fully publicly owned economy. Socialism is when public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy, while Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect of the economy. Communism is a post-Socialist, global system of full public ownership, ie all “Communist” countries have considered themselves Socialist and building towards Communism.
Romania has had social-democrats in charge for a long while now. I can assure you it is not “building towards communism”
Socialism may be a transitional phase into communism, yes. But social-democrats are not communists.
Social Democracy is not Socialism, Social Democracy has Private Ownership as the principle aspect of its economy. Further, Social Democrats are not Communists to begin with, even if they did have a Socialist economy, that doesn’t mean they will always try to move towards Communism.
Don’t bother mate. All these people commenting are American radicals. Lemmy has received a massive influx of them after Reddit increased its moderation standards. I wish there was a social media platform made just for Europeans so I wouldn’t have to listen to Americans constantly.
As a Romanian myself I could tell them about the horrendous living conditions my relatives had to go through during communism, but it won’t matter. They’ll still chant their nonsense like some drugged priests.
Communism is horrible. It didn’t work, it doesn’t work and it will never work.
Go on you losers. Downvote me all you want.
“My anecdote means more than your statistics and analysis.”
Yea… you might say you dislike Americans, but you’re thinking EXACTLY like the ignorant ones…
63% of Romanias believe they are worse off than under Communism. Unsurprising, given that the dissolution of the Socialist system resulted in extreme increases in poverty, homelessness, prostitution, drug abuse, and 7 million excess deaths.
Exactly, all because communism paralyzed the economy for a half a century and fixing that mess required more than a decade of hardship.
But you keep deluding yourself with your nonsense. Why don’t you go to North Korea or Cuba if you like communism so much? I’ll buy you a plane ticket if you can’t afford it.
Had the Socialist economy not been dissolved, growth would have surpassed what it is today in the post-Soviet countries. I’m not going to pretend that the economy was perfect, or that Kruschev, Gorbachev, and Yeltsin’s reforms weren’t harmful for the economy or that the immense destruction and genocide inflicted by the Nazis on the Soviet people’s did no harm to the economy either, but Capitalism didn’t “fix” anything. It allowed foreign Capitalists to freely plunder and loot what was a working system with its own struggles.
Had the USSR implemented reforms to its economy such as those done in the PRC, maintaining Socialism but allowing a more open economy for engagement with the world economy, the best of all worlds may have been achieved. None of the immense pain or misery Capitalism brought, while coupled with the growth Gorbachev sought to achieve through liberalization efforts.
Well… certainly not none of the pain and misery of capitalism, as they’d still be engaged with the capitalist economies of elsewhere and still very subject to exploitation from richer countries. The peoples within the country would’ve almost certainly been on a slightly more even playing field, though. For better or worse… exploitation CAN stamp on most everyone.
Fair enough, my wording implied the reforms of Deng Xiaoping were painless and not without their drawbacks. Certainly, some pain and misery would have come, but not nearly to the extent that the dissolution of the Soviet system entirely has wrought upon Eastern Europe and its connected trading partners in Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, the DPRK, etc.