Here is the thing. Ukraine has, or could easily within weeks have, nuclear capability (they were actually instrumental in developing Russia’s nuclear capability, and they still have the infrastructure, knowledge, and skills) and that is actually to their detriment. It only promotes a ‘first strike’ mentality in the Russians.
The land border between Canada and the US is just too long for either side to defend.
But here is the thing. The only way the American army could have the resources to do it would be through the National Guard. American forces are spread too thin throughout the world. The National Guard is under the control of the individual state.
The biggest states would be well prepared to sign non-aggression treaties with Canada, meaning their National Guard could not be used. The individual States can not directly sign a treaty, but they CAN prevent their National Guard from participating. If Trump tried to take charge of them, it would for sure lead to a Constitutional Crisis. Since the Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard Units is the governor of each state, not the President, the troops are only answerable to the chain of command that ends at the state level. The individual states would have all the reason they need to secede. It would be civil war second inning in America. And some National Guard units have their own fighter jets and air bases.
The National Guard most definitely is NOT his. It is absolutely clear that the commander-in-chief of the national Guard is the State Governor. Trump is nowhere in the command chain. Under no circumstances does the National Guard have to obey Trump. Never has obeyed a President, never will.
I love your optimism here, but it’s naive to believe that after everything that the president has done to date that is blatantly illegal and he has no authority to do that he will not somehow coopt the National Guard under some bullshit 200 year old law that was never meant to give him this power. Or fuck laws - he has shown his entire career a complete disregard for them and thinks he is completely unbound by the law - and he just does it anyways. Republicans in congress have proven over the last 3 months that they’ll happily cede the power their constituents entrusted them with to their dictator. What makes you think he won’t make the governors bend to his will? Republican first, then by force for the rest.
You seem to have absolutely no grasp of the situation, but instead are just following populist mythology. The only power Trump has, is in the willingness of those around him to obey his dictates. The only direct ‘power’ he has that he can enforce is the power over Federal agencies under his jurisdiction. An executive order applies only to agencies that come under his direct federal control. The citizens of the United States do not, unless they are employed by the Federal institutions, have to obey nor are they bound by an Executive Order, except to the extent that they physically interact with a Federal agent. The Tariff is collected by Federal agents, under Trump’s command. Trump can order them to collect the tariff. At some point, the individual States will by-pass the Federal tax collecting system and start keeping the Federal taxes for themselves. The individual States will at dome point direct State officials and State businesses and corporations to submit ALL taxes paid or collected by them to the State. Trump has absolutely no control over anything, including State laws or the non-federal courts, State troopers, or police) that come under strictly State control, and they have demonstrated that under no circumstances are they going to give Trump control to do so.
Believe me, you will not read ‘optimism’ into anything I say about America. It is doomed, it is finished, it is over. What I am saying is HOW it will end. It will be nothing short of a direct confrontation between individual State and Federal control. And the national Guard is strictly State control, the individual State will never give that up. The command chain in the National Guard will simply ignore Trump’s commands.
There has always been a battle between State and Federal control in America. That is what Civil War 1.0 was all about. Texas, particularly, will never bend to allowing Trump to over-rule the State legislature. Texas is. probably, the most secessionist-prone state in America. “Ignoring the Law” goes in both directions.
It’s strange to me you list all these logical reasons why this or that wouldn’t happen and cite legal precedent and policies to bolster your opinion.
But the fact is that none of those things matter during war times. The US is deporting its own natural citizens now. They have made violent boasts and continue to insult other countries to this day.
The US would 100% bomb the northern parts with drones and push everyone south. From there they will take out everything of merit with massive collateral damage. They out number us 350 million to 40 million. The world is throwing half ass aid to Ukraine but the sad fact is that’s also what would happen.
No one can stop a first world, militarized nation without decimating humanity at this point. Even if it was us invading them, the death toll would be ludicrous if it meant the way of life for each nation.
And sadly, this is all at the whims of a few nut jobs. 99.9999% of the world just wants to live in peace and be left the fuck alone. Then you have the 50 some billionaires who just can’t get that thru their heads, always starting shit.
You are definitely NOT a military strategist. And you seem to know almost nothing about Canadian Geography. Or wind currents. The predominant wind direction takes all of the radioactivity and dumps in right in the middle of America. America becomes a radioactive waste land. So no nukes. But to use drones? Do you have an inkling of an idea how BIG Canada is, and how small even the largest 500 pound bomb is? There are not enough conventional weapons in the entire WORLD to ‘lay waste’ to Canada.
Read the headline. Your insulting, demeaning post is not welcome. It is contrary to the rules of Lemmy. If you have to resort to personal insults, you do not seem to have much to contribute.
it would for sure lead to a Constitutional Crisis.
News flash: America is already in-play with multiple constitutional crises. PoTUS ignoring direct court orders, abducting and sending US citizens and legal residents to foreign gulags, and so forth.
Now granted, this would be just another one on top of a rapidly-growing pile. But so far the Orange Cheeto has already “won” on a number of points. Right now, the constitution is such in name only. It’s pretty much window dressing at this point. What makes you think that another crisis will actually discourage him from just doing whatever he wants?
America is no longer a democratic country. It is plunging full force into “failed state” status in an epic swan dive of authoritarian destruction.
America never was, really, a ‘democratic’ country in the sense that so many were always denied the right to vote. It was ‘democratic’ only in the sense that those who were enfranchised to vote, could exercise that franchise given that they met certain conditions.
The original Constitution only enfranchised white male landowners to vote. If you met that threshold, you had the ‘democratic right to vote’. Oh, wait, you also had to meet a list of other requirements, as well. For instance, you could be any religion you wanted, as long as it had God at the top. It was imperative to swear an oath to God. The original Constitution made that clear. No atheists or non-God-fearing need even try to vote. THAT was what they originally meant by ‘freedom of religion’ - freedom to worship God any way you wanted. It did NOT allow for ‘freedom to NOT have a religion’.
You are right in the sense that the Constitution is being ignored. That is all part of Vance and the 2025 Manifesto. Trump will go one step too far, Vance will lead the impeachment procedures against Trump for Treason to the Constitution, Vance becomes President, and gets a totally free hand to implement his own 2025 Manifesto agenda. Incidentally, the splitting up of America leaving only a pure Republican union, ensuring the Democratic states never interfere again, is all part and parcel of the 2025 plan. Vance would rather be President of a ‘pure’ Republican nation than have to contend with the turmoil and chaos the Democrats would cause. That is why America is as close to civil war as it was before the start of Civil War 1.0 back almost two centuries ago. The fact is, the more the Constitution loses relevance, the more likely succession by states becomes. At some point, the Constitution becomes so irrelevant that individual states will see absolutely no need to follow it in any shape or form. They will fall back on State constitutions for their governance.
I predict, that soon the Republicans will use the turmoil over the existing Constitution, seeing as the existing Constitution is failing so badly, as a reason to completely rewrite the Constitution as they feel it should have been written And every person who points out how badly the current constitution is failing, just feeds into that argument, and America comes all that closer to ensuring a Vance victory.
I don’t like your Mike Pence interpretation of “You have no freedom from religion”.
I predict, that soon the Republicans will use the turmoil over the existing Constitution, seeing as the existing Constitution is failing so badly, as a reason to completely rewrite the Constitution as they feel it should have been written
A constitutional convention (of states) is a helpful path to getting mass secession. Changing the constitution is harder than just ignoring it, and daring the courts to use their armies to do anything about it.
Like it or not, that was how the original Constitution was written, and enforced. An Oath to God was required, and Human law was not to encroach upon God’s law. What was Caesar’s, was Caesar’s, and what was God’s, was God’s.
The South had absolutely no initial problem with changing the ‘Constitution’ unilaterally. A new Federal union, a new Constitution. I am talking about the complete collapse of the existing Union and building a complete new one from scratch, not a constitutional convention. Like GM going bankrupt, and then restructuring, nothing about the governance carries over except the name and the physical plant. A complete change in ownership and governance.
Incidentally, that is how South Asia is turning America into a branch plant operation - they are buying up the asserts (including the name and branding) of the large (and small) American corporations, and restructuring them into Asian controlled corporations. Trump is just accelerating the process. An American corporation that manufactures all (or most) of their product in Asia and imports it, goes under because they can not bring their own product in from Asia cheaply, so they go bankrupt and Asia buys the assets. That’s why China will not bother to negotiate trade with Trump. They now realize his tariffs are exactly what their long range plans need. The longer they go on for, the cheaper it will be for them to ‘Buy America’. The GE Appliance Division, for example. Bought by Haier, product made in America, profits go back to China.
Here is the thing. Ukraine has, or could easily within weeks have, nuclear capability (they were actually instrumental in developing Russia’s nuclear capability, and they still have the infrastructure, knowledge, and skills) and that is actually to their detriment. It only promotes a ‘first strike’ mentality in the Russians.
The land border between Canada and the US is just too long for either side to defend.
But here is the thing. The only way the American army could have the resources to do it would be through the National Guard. American forces are spread too thin throughout the world. The National Guard is under the control of the individual state.
The biggest states would be well prepared to sign non-aggression treaties with Canada, meaning their National Guard could not be used. The individual States can not directly sign a treaty, but they CAN prevent their National Guard from participating. If Trump tried to take charge of them, it would for sure lead to a Constitutional Crisis. Since the Commander-in-Chief of the National Guard Units is the governor of each state, not the President, the troops are only answerable to the chain of command that ends at the state level. The individual states would have all the reason they need to secede. It would be civil war second inning in America. And some National Guard units have their own fighter jets and air bases.
That chaos is Canada’s best bet for defense.
Here you are still thinking that trump abides by rules.
The national guard is his, and he’ll use it and if someone says no, he’ll say “fuck you, yes” and that will be the end of I
Constitutional crisis? There have been multiple already in the past months and nothing happened
The National Guard most definitely is NOT his. It is absolutely clear that the commander-in-chief of the national Guard is the State Governor. Trump is nowhere in the command chain. Under no circumstances does the National Guard have to obey Trump. Never has obeyed a President, never will.
I love your optimism here, but it’s naive to believe that after everything that the president has done to date that is blatantly illegal and he has no authority to do that he will not somehow coopt the National Guard under some bullshit 200 year old law that was never meant to give him this power. Or fuck laws - he has shown his entire career a complete disregard for them and thinks he is completely unbound by the law - and he just does it anyways. Republicans in congress have proven over the last 3 months that they’ll happily cede the power their constituents entrusted them with to their dictator. What makes you think he won’t make the governors bend to his will? Republican first, then by force for the rest.
You seem to have absolutely no grasp of the situation, but instead are just following populist mythology. The only power Trump has, is in the willingness of those around him to obey his dictates. The only direct ‘power’ he has that he can enforce is the power over Federal agencies under his jurisdiction. An executive order applies only to agencies that come under his direct federal control. The citizens of the United States do not, unless they are employed by the Federal institutions, have to obey nor are they bound by an Executive Order, except to the extent that they physically interact with a Federal agent. The Tariff is collected by Federal agents, under Trump’s command. Trump can order them to collect the tariff. At some point, the individual States will by-pass the Federal tax collecting system and start keeping the Federal taxes for themselves. The individual States will at dome point direct State officials and State businesses and corporations to submit ALL taxes paid or collected by them to the State. Trump has absolutely no control over anything, including State laws or the non-federal courts, State troopers, or police) that come under strictly State control, and they have demonstrated that under no circumstances are they going to give Trump control to do so.
Believe me, you will not read ‘optimism’ into anything I say about America. It is doomed, it is finished, it is over. What I am saying is HOW it will end. It will be nothing short of a direct confrontation between individual State and Federal control. And the national Guard is strictly State control, the individual State will never give that up. The command chain in the National Guard will simply ignore Trump’s commands.
There has always been a battle between State and Federal control in America. That is what Civil War 1.0 was all about. Texas, particularly, will never bend to allowing Trump to over-rule the State legislature. Texas is. probably, the most secessionist-prone state in America. “Ignoring the Law” goes in both directions.
It’s strange to me you list all these logical reasons why this or that wouldn’t happen and cite legal precedent and policies to bolster your opinion.
But the fact is that none of those things matter during war times. The US is deporting its own natural citizens now. They have made violent boasts and continue to insult other countries to this day.
The US would 100% bomb the northern parts with drones and push everyone south. From there they will take out everything of merit with massive collateral damage. They out number us 350 million to 40 million. The world is throwing half ass aid to Ukraine but the sad fact is that’s also what would happen.
No one can stop a first world, militarized nation without decimating humanity at this point. Even if it was us invading them, the death toll would be ludicrous if it meant the way of life for each nation.
And sadly, this is all at the whims of a few nut jobs. 99.9999% of the world just wants to live in peace and be left the fuck alone. Then you have the 50 some billionaires who just can’t get that thru their heads, always starting shit.
You are definitely NOT a military strategist. And you seem to know almost nothing about Canadian Geography. Or wind currents. The predominant wind direction takes all of the radioactivity and dumps in right in the middle of America. America becomes a radioactive waste land. So no nukes. But to use drones? Do you have an inkling of an idea how BIG Canada is, and how small even the largest 500 pound bomb is? There are not enough conventional weapons in the entire WORLD to ‘lay waste’ to Canada.
Canada would survive, the US not so much.
Who said anything about nukes? Other than you, Mr. Military Genius here hanging around Lemmy.
Take off hoser!
Read the headline. Your insulting, demeaning post is not welcome. It is contrary to the rules of Lemmy. If you have to resort to personal insults, you do not seem to have much to contribute.
News flash: America is already in-play with multiple constitutional crises. PoTUS ignoring direct court orders, abducting and sending US citizens and legal residents to foreign gulags, and so forth.
Now granted, this would be just another one on top of a rapidly-growing pile. But so far the Orange Cheeto has already “won” on a number of points. Right now, the constitution is such in name only. It’s pretty much window dressing at this point. What makes you think that another crisis will actually discourage him from just doing whatever he wants?
America is no longer a democratic country. It is plunging full force into “failed state” status in an epic swan dive of authoritarian destruction.
America never was, really, a ‘democratic’ country in the sense that so many were always denied the right to vote. It was ‘democratic’ only in the sense that those who were enfranchised to vote, could exercise that franchise given that they met certain conditions.
The original Constitution only enfranchised white male landowners to vote. If you met that threshold, you had the ‘democratic right to vote’. Oh, wait, you also had to meet a list of other requirements, as well. For instance, you could be any religion you wanted, as long as it had God at the top. It was imperative to swear an oath to God. The original Constitution made that clear. No atheists or non-God-fearing need even try to vote. THAT was what they originally meant by ‘freedom of religion’ - freedom to worship God any way you wanted. It did NOT allow for ‘freedom to NOT have a religion’.
You are right in the sense that the Constitution is being ignored. That is all part of Vance and the 2025 Manifesto. Trump will go one step too far, Vance will lead the impeachment procedures against Trump for Treason to the Constitution, Vance becomes President, and gets a totally free hand to implement his own 2025 Manifesto agenda. Incidentally, the splitting up of America leaving only a pure Republican union, ensuring the Democratic states never interfere again, is all part and parcel of the 2025 plan. Vance would rather be President of a ‘pure’ Republican nation than have to contend with the turmoil and chaos the Democrats would cause. That is why America is as close to civil war as it was before the start of Civil War 1.0 back almost two centuries ago. The fact is, the more the Constitution loses relevance, the more likely succession by states becomes. At some point, the Constitution becomes so irrelevant that individual states will see absolutely no need to follow it in any shape or form. They will fall back on State constitutions for their governance.
I predict, that soon the Republicans will use the turmoil over the existing Constitution, seeing as the existing Constitution is failing so badly, as a reason to completely rewrite the Constitution as they feel it should have been written And every person who points out how badly the current constitution is failing, just feeds into that argument, and America comes all that closer to ensuring a Vance victory.
I don’t like your Mike Pence interpretation of “You have no freedom from religion”.
A constitutional convention (of states) is a helpful path to getting mass secession. Changing the constitution is harder than just ignoring it, and daring the courts to use their armies to do anything about it.
Like it or not, that was how the original Constitution was written, and enforced. An Oath to God was required, and Human law was not to encroach upon God’s law. What was Caesar’s, was Caesar’s, and what was God’s, was God’s.
The South had absolutely no initial problem with changing the ‘Constitution’ unilaterally. A new Federal union, a new Constitution. I am talking about the complete collapse of the existing Union and building a complete new one from scratch, not a constitutional convention. Like GM going bankrupt, and then restructuring, nothing about the governance carries over except the name and the physical plant. A complete change in ownership and governance.
Incidentally, that is how South Asia is turning America into a branch plant operation - they are buying up the asserts (including the name and branding) of the large (and small) American corporations, and restructuring them into Asian controlled corporations. Trump is just accelerating the process. An American corporation that manufactures all (or most) of their product in Asia and imports it, goes under because they can not bring their own product in from Asia cheaply, so they go bankrupt and Asia buys the assets. That’s why China will not bother to negotiate trade with Trump. They now realize his tariffs are exactly what their long range plans need. The longer they go on for, the cheaper it will be for them to ‘Buy America’. The GE Appliance Division, for example. Bought by Haier, product made in America, profits go back to China.