• socsa@piefed.social
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    1 day ago

    Sure, and like 5000 years of monarchy and feudalism stood in opposition to classical liberalism. At a certain point you just need to get good or go back to the drawing board.

    • dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 day ago

      yeah, German Idealism turned out to not be the best theoretical foundation for predicting the future of human society - unlike how Hegel thinks about human history in a linear fashion, we are not always moving in some guaranteed direction, nor are the societies that pre-date aristocracy “primitive”.

      EDIT: I misunderstood your comment. Monarchy did stand in opposition to liberalism, the difference is that liberalism was backed by people with great amounts of wealth and power - the shift to liberalism was more like a change in hands from foreign colonial powers to local moneyed elites. The problem is that socialism as a proletarian revolution does not appeal to the wealthy and powerful, so it’s not surprising socialism hasn’t received the same support liberalism has. The closest we got was something like FDR’s social liberalism, where some wealthy folks realized some amount of social services help stabilize the political situation, and that this is good for them (property rights and wealth are more secure in a stable society than in one marked by constant threat of revolution or reactionary coups).

      But I wouldn’t call that socialism in the Marxist sense, it does not have communism as a goal for example.