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Summary
Immigration officials detained a US citizen for nearly 10 days in Arizona, according to court records and press reports.
On 8 April, a border patrol official found Hermosillo “without the proper immigration documents” and claimed that the young American had admitted entering the US illegally from Mexico.
On 17 April, a federal judge dismissed his case. “He did say he was a US citizen, but they didn’t believe him.”
“Under the Trump administration’s theory of the law, the government could have banished this U.S. citizen to a Salvadoran prison then refused to do anything to bring him back,” Mark Joseph Stern, a legal analyst for Slate, wrote on Bluesky. “This is why the Constitution guarantees due process to all. Could it be more obvious?”
If you currently work for ICE and you haven’t quit, you’ve demonstrated you’re okay with going along with illegal and immoral actions. That makes you a bad person.
There might be an argument to say that not everyone who has ever worked for ICE is a bad person, but that argument holds little water in 2025.
Due process is required for legal judgements, not moral ones, FYI.
Single mother, works in a minor administrative clerical capacity for an Immigration and Customs Enforcement office, has two school age children and without this job she’s on the street and can’t take care of these kids. She desperately needs this job but is really upset about the news lately, contacting her representatives, protesting when she can and stands ready to offer shelter in her home to anyone in need of a safe space. Yet in this hypothetical, under your rules, not only do you claim that this person has demonstrated they’re okay with going along with illegal and immoral actions but that they’re also a bad person. No allowance for circumstance or the fact that this is an unprecedented situation.
I am aware. I used the example to draw a parallel. I would have thought engaging in the same behavior that your upset about might make you stop and think; guess not.
Apply the So What principle: So what if I, as a private citizen, make a judgement about people who work for a government office? What’s the practical impact for this oh-so-unfairly-maligned hypothetical person you constructed? Nothing.
Now, what’s the practical impact when a government agency denies due process to people when it unlawfully detains them? Oh, yeah, that does seem like a real and substantive impact, doesn’t it?
I haven’t denied anyone’s rights to their life or their liberty, so you can take your false equivalency and shove it.
It’s a hypothetical so I’m not sure how you’d measure it but you’re certainly creating a division and fostering an us/them mentality. What purpose does it serve to make a broad statement that’s backed only by emotion and supposition that anybody associated with ICE is a bad person? Other than to make you feel better and more righteous?
It sure does! And we should all of us be against a government that does that. I think I could get on board with a statement like “Any person that knowingly and willingly helps the US government deprive any person of their rights in violation the US Constitution or the law is a bad person”.
A fascist is a fascist, doesn’t fuckin matter if they are “only doing their job”
A fascist is an advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.
A janitor is a person whose job is to clean and maintain a building or property.
A janitor can be a fascist but they can also just be a janitor.
If you want to claim that any level of culpability makes a person a fascist then I’d say if you’re American and of voting age you’re a fascist because you have culpability in what’s happening right now. If you’re a user of any American corporate product where that corporation contributed to the current administration then you’re a fascist because you have culpability.
I like how you are trying to steer the conversation in one way, in some sort of philosophical ideology. However, I don’t care. Fuck Nazi’s, doesn’t matter if their a struggling mom, idiot on the internet pretending to force a conversation, or ICE. Fuck em all.
And oh yeah, I totally have so much power as an individual to drive the piss ass politics in a country of 330 million. Right, it’s my fault?
Maybe your knowledge of Nazi Germany is lacking, because not everyone was a fascist there either… those people went to concentration camps or were killed. Guess what? My ass will eventually be on the chopping block, you evasive fool. I know I’ll be fighting when the time comes, you stay at home, pretend to be righteous over wherever you live and close the fucking blinds bootlicker.
and I like how you’re trying to steer the conversation in exactly the same way but in a different direction.
I mean seriously, you call the hypothetical person in some low level clerical/administrative role a fascist because they won’t quit because it’s simply not that easy to do so, yet in the same breath you say “I totally have so much power as an individual to drive the piss ass politics in a country of 330 million” – hypocrite much?
Would you say you’re taking issue with someone making a broad, generalized statement about a group of people based on one commonality?