People keep treating Win10 EoL as if the software is going to catch on fire. Every time they phase out a Windows version people just happily keep it installed indefinitely until they just naturally buy a new PC, at least.
I predict the big replacement for supported Windows 10 will be unsupported Windows 10. I expect that’s a pretty safe bet.
Famous last words before getting a keylogger that leads to all your bank accounts being drained due to lack of security patches.
Well, yeah. What kind of security do you think normies are running? They won’t even get hijacked by an unpatched Windows 10 exploit, they’ll just try to download The Last of Us by opening “WatchOnlineMoviesFree.exe” when a pop up tells them to.
Business operations will go with whatever is cheapest to maintain, which is the entire point of LTSC and the article in the link.
Well, yeah. What kind of security do you think normies are running? They won’t even get hijacked by an unpatched Windows 10 exploit, they’ll just try to download The Last of Us by opening “WatchOnlineMoviesFree.exe” when a pop up tells them to.
Well exactly, although let’s be honest: “normies” will downgrade upgrade to windows 11 because they always want the latest greatest thing.
Business operations will go with whatever is cheapest to maintain, which is the entire point of LTSC and the article in the link.
This might be true wherever you’re from (I’m assuming US?) but it’s in no way reality where I live. Here you must use a secure OS for businesses, you can’t just use whatever.
The point of LTSC builds of Win10 is they will keep getting security updates, in some cases until the 2030s. That’s what the actual article we’re all supposed to be talking about is explaining.
So yes, there is a planned solution to keep a secure build of Win10 for businesses for at least a few more years. For that reason. That’s what this conversation is about. Normally I’d chastise people for not reading through to the body of the linked article, but this time it’s right in the headline. You literally could not have reached this post without reading it at least once.
That’s what this conversation is about. Normally I’d chastise people for not reading through to the body of the linked article, but this time it’s right in the headline. You literally could not have reached this post without reading it at least once.
It’s called having a conversation and typically in those people move past the starting point on to other related topics. There’s no need to read malice into it.
Hey, no, no malice read into it and I’m all for having a conversation about the subject. But it’s also true that if we have to litigate the basic facts we’re talking about (specifically, that Windows 10 WILL in fact have purchaseable security upgrades for several more years) over multiple posts it’s just not a very productive conversation, you know? Ideally the chat starts from the actual information being shared in the link, or at the very least in the headline.
In any case, yes, businesses will need to keep getting security updates and they will get security updates for the foreseeable, be it by moving to Win11 where they can or by moving to the long term support tracks for Win10 where the hardware doesn’t support it or it’s cheaper.
I suppose. We would have to know if it’s worth their while to work on security flaws (which I imagine they will put zero effort into and pretty much just answer to bounty hunter reports) for $30 a year.
But because I know Microsoft and am used to their shenanigans, I wouldn’t hold my breath on that lasting for too long.
I only “upgraded” to Windows 10 (from 7) last year due to software I needed for work. Windows 10 is bad enough, I’m definitely not “upgrading” to 11 until I have to.
In my experience, 10 runs much slower than 7 with so many updates that just kill performance as they’re running. And I’ve had pop-up adverts recently and programs that open on startup despite being disabled
But hey, that is a fair point. A lot of people talk about moving to Win11 like it’s something normies will want to avoid like the plague, as if all the things they point at as dealbreaking enshittification haven’t been rolling back to Win10 pretty much in real time. Hardware incompatibilities aside (and those are probably overstated, too) the leap will probably be very smooth unless the person in question is simultaneously extremely activist about hating modern Windows and extremely reluctant to use anything else.
Honestly, dual booting is mostly fine now, I’m just annoyed by how awkward and inconvenient it still is to share a local hard drive across both systems and it feels weird to be cut off from physically mounted hard drives that are right there in your system just because there is no universally accepted OS-agnostic modern filesystem.
These days I have one computer with Windows and one with Linux. My solution ended up being sharing files over a local network and using GNOME so I can easily remote desktop from my Windows machine if I have to. It’s less annoying than the performative “run Windows in a virtual machine” thing people like to brag about and I wanted to keep a machine constantly running as a little home server anyway.
People keep treating Win10 EoL as if the software is going to catch on fire. Every time they phase out a Windows version people just happily keep it installed indefinitely until they just naturally buy a new PC, at least.
I predict the big replacement for supported Windows 10 will be unsupported Windows 10. I expect that’s a pretty safe bet.
Famous last words before getting a keylogger that leads to all your bank accounts being drained due to lack of security patches.
Also, this is pretty much not possible (if not illegal) for business operations since those generally require having a secure OS to work on.
Well, yeah. What kind of security do you think normies are running? They won’t even get hijacked by an unpatched Windows 10 exploit, they’ll just try to download The Last of Us by opening “WatchOnlineMoviesFree.exe” when a pop up tells them to.
Business operations will go with whatever is cheapest to maintain, which is the entire point of LTSC and the article in the link.
Well exactly, although let’s be honest: “normies” will
downgradeupgrade to windows 11 because they always want the latest greatest thing.This might be true wherever you’re from (I’m assuming US?) but it’s in no way reality where I live. Here you must use a secure OS for businesses, you can’t just use whatever.
Not in the US.
The point of LTSC builds of Win10 is they will keep getting security updates, in some cases until the 2030s. That’s what the actual article we’re all supposed to be talking about is explaining.
So yes, there is a planned solution to keep a secure build of Win10 for businesses for at least a few more years. For that reason. That’s what this conversation is about. Normally I’d chastise people for not reading through to the body of the linked article, but this time it’s right in the headline. You literally could not have reached this post without reading it at least once.
It’s called having a conversation and typically in those people move past the starting point on to other related topics. There’s no need to read malice into it.
You’re welcome to not answer further, too.
Hey, no, no malice read into it and I’m all for having a conversation about the subject. But it’s also true that if we have to litigate the basic facts we’re talking about (specifically, that Windows 10 WILL in fact have purchaseable security upgrades for several more years) over multiple posts it’s just not a very productive conversation, you know? Ideally the chat starts from the actual information being shared in the link, or at the very least in the headline.
In any case, yes, businesses will need to keep getting security updates and they will get security updates for the foreseeable, be it by moving to Win11 where they can or by moving to the long term support tracks for Win10 where the hardware doesn’t support it or it’s cheaper.
They’re still supporting regular Win 10 but will start charging $30 a year for patches.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates
How long do you expect that to last?
Microsoft is in it for the money. I think they’d rather get $30 a year every year than get $30 one time from a PC manufacturer who bundled Windows.
I suppose. We would have to know if it’s worth their while to work on security flaws (which I imagine they will put zero effort into and pretty much just answer to bounty hunter reports) for $30 a year.
But because I know Microsoft and am used to their shenanigans, I wouldn’t hold my breath on that lasting for too long.
I only “upgraded” to Windows 10 (from 7) last year due to software I needed for work. Windows 10 is bad enough, I’m definitely not “upgrading” to 11 until I have to.
In my experience, 10 runs much slower than 7 with so many updates that just kill performance as they’re running. And I’ve had pop-up adverts recently and programs that open on startup despite being disabled
I mean… you go, grandpa.
But hey, that is a fair point. A lot of people talk about moving to Win11 like it’s something normies will want to avoid like the plague, as if all the things they point at as dealbreaking enshittification haven’t been rolling back to Win10 pretty much in real time. Hardware incompatibilities aside (and those are probably overstated, too) the leap will probably be very smooth unless the person in question is simultaneously extremely activist about hating modern Windows and extremely reluctant to use anything else.
I’m in this picture and I don’t like it. I have Linux on my laptop but I cba dealing with bootloaders on my desktop and can’t lose Windows altogether.
(Last time I tried dualbooting was with XP I think, so probably it’s a lot easier now than it used to be but still…)
Honestly, dual booting is mostly fine now, I’m just annoyed by how awkward and inconvenient it still is to share a local hard drive across both systems and it feels weird to be cut off from physically mounted hard drives that are right there in your system just because there is no universally accepted OS-agnostic modern filesystem.
These days I have one computer with Windows and one with Linux. My solution ended up being sharing files over a local network and using GNOME so I can easily remote desktop from my Windows machine if I have to. It’s less annoying than the performative “run Windows in a virtual machine” thing people like to brag about and I wanted to keep a machine constantly running as a little home server anyway.
Just today I installed 2 pc in a store with windows 7.