Honestly, we’re having the same revolution for white-collar jobs that automation made for blue-collar ones.
Just like with chess, we’re going to reach a point where AI isn’t just ‘as good as humans,’ but it will be many times superior to the point humans need to make their own competitions excluding AI in order for them to be fair.
Actually, it’s the American business owners that gave china the manufacturing edge.
They cared more about maximizing profits off of Americans rather than competing with foreign companies offering customers better deals.
Keep in mind, you’re trying to argue against industrialization right now. Are you suggesting we shouldn’t have industrialized to prevent “deskilling blue collar labor” so “China doesn’t get a manufacturing edge”?
I’m suggesting that the choice between industrialization and skilled labor is a false one because China is industrialized and has a highly skilled labor force. I agree this is because of American owners seeking profit, but it seems the same won’t happen to China now that they’re industrialized.
America gave china the manufacturing jobs by failing to block slave labor imports and failing to put proper tariffs to account for differences in cost of living to a reasonable extent. I say this at risk of sounding like a trumpy…
This is to be clear that while I advocate for some level of global inter investment, having capacity in your home country is ever very important. Usa could’ve kept the jobs if they were smart back then.
Eeeeeeh… China was rapidly industrializing, and the low skill manufacturing jobs they took were going to leave the US anyway. While ensuring the rights of foreign workers is definitely something I support, it still wouldn’t have stymied the tidal shift in low skill labor to lcol nations.
Ensuring a domestic supply of some goods is definitely important. But tariffs aren’t the answer here - instead, the answer is to support local industries by giving them government contracts to produce their goods, which the government can then use and/or stockpile when we aren’t in a time of crisis.
And anyway, while a great amount of manufacturing labor went overseas in the last century, American has been reclaiming ground recently… with robots.
Basically no matter how you split it, those high paying, low skill manufacturing jobs were never going to stick around for long. That’s just the forward march of technological progress.
the low skill manufacturing jobs they took were going to leave the US anyway.
… Yes and no. A lot of junk, sure. But there was no necessity to move much of large scale manufacturing over—the primary reason it happened was rampant consumerism desiring the cheapness that lower standards brought, without regard to workers or the ability of the national economy to have a modern strength against foreign influence.
Production is fully capable to have been kept in the usa for a lot of products, as long as people were willing to buy less. It’d have been a greater benefit to our economy and the environment overall.
But tariffs aren’t the answer here - instead, the answer is to support local industries by giving them government contracts to produce their goods, which the government can then use and/or stockpile when we aren’t in a time of crisis.
Tariffs are an important tool. They should never be the only tool used from the tool box. But nonetheless, they’re important to disincentive the moving away manufacturing based just on wages. They make products more expensive, allowing local products to survive more easily —but if you rely on them too heavily, your local industries become stagnant.
Most goods are not reasonable to spend government money on as well. That works great for medical goods and food, but not much else.
That’s just the forward march of technological progress.
When companies like Amazon use that logic to cut wages to half of competition… I got a problem.
Realistically, AI will continue to advance and will only stop when there’s another winter, although there will likely be protests, which will likely be history depending on their effectiveness in society.
Something similar happened with the protests against the Apollo program; the programs are currently remembered more than the protesters.
Honestly, we’re having the same revolution for white-collar jobs that automation made for blue-collar ones.
Just like with chess, we’re going to reach a point where AI isn’t just ‘as good as humans,’ but it will be many times superior to the point humans need to make their own competitions excluding AI in order for them to be fair.
Deskilling blue collar labor is how America gave China a manufacturing edge. What do you think will be the result of deskilling white collar labor?
Actually, it’s the American business owners that gave china the manufacturing edge.
They cared more about maximizing profits off of Americans rather than competing with foreign companies offering customers better deals.
Keep in mind, you’re trying to argue against industrialization right now. Are you suggesting we shouldn’t have industrialized to prevent “deskilling blue collar labor” so “China doesn’t get a manufacturing edge”?
I’m suggesting that the choice between industrialization and skilled labor is a false one because China is industrialized and has a highly skilled labor force. I agree this is because of American owners seeking profit, but it seems the same won’t happen to China now that they’re industrialized.
America gave china the manufacturing jobs by failing to block slave labor imports and failing to put proper tariffs to account for differences in cost of living to a reasonable extent. I say this at risk of sounding like a trumpy…
This is to be clear that while I advocate for some level of global inter investment, having capacity in your home country is ever very important. Usa could’ve kept the jobs if they were smart back then.
Eeeeeeh… China was rapidly industrializing, and the low skill manufacturing jobs they took were going to leave the US anyway. While ensuring the rights of foreign workers is definitely something I support, it still wouldn’t have stymied the tidal shift in low skill labor to lcol nations.
Ensuring a domestic supply of some goods is definitely important. But tariffs aren’t the answer here - instead, the answer is to support local industries by giving them government contracts to produce their goods, which the government can then use and/or stockpile when we aren’t in a time of crisis.
And anyway, while a great amount of manufacturing labor went overseas in the last century, American has been reclaiming ground recently… with robots.
Basically no matter how you split it, those high paying, low skill manufacturing jobs were never going to stick around for long. That’s just the forward march of technological progress.
… Yes and no. A lot of junk, sure. But there was no necessity to move much of large scale manufacturing over—the primary reason it happened was rampant consumerism desiring the cheapness that lower standards brought, without regard to workers or the ability of the national economy to have a modern strength against foreign influence.
Production is fully capable to have been kept in the usa for a lot of products, as long as people were willing to buy less. It’d have been a greater benefit to our economy and the environment overall.
Tariffs are an important tool. They should never be the only tool used from the tool box. But nonetheless, they’re important to disincentive the moving away manufacturing based just on wages. They make products more expensive, allowing local products to survive more easily —but if you rely on them too heavily, your local industries become stagnant.
Most goods are not reasonable to spend government money on as well. That works great for medical goods and food, but not much else.
When companies like Amazon use that logic to cut wages to half of competition… I got a problem.
Yeah sure, enjoy that glue pizza.
If my surgeon was booting up chat gpt I’d just euthanize myself to save them the trouble.
Yeah, people say they don’t want AI driving cars while AI has better safety records than the average human.
People also fought back against having machinery to automate production.
You might want to look into the “Luddites.”
I hope you can admit you’re wrong when the time comes, but I genuinely expect you to just pretend you never stuck your neck out in the first place.
I think you should look at what the luddites actually were and not just how they were portrayed by capital
Why?
Don’t act like a smug asshole while simultaneously admitting you’re replaceable at work, can’t draw, can’t drive and can’t think for yourself.
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Here’s a wrench for you: the Luddites were 100% right
Hear! Hear!
Right about what?
Realistically, AI will continue to advance and will only stop when there’s another winter, although there will likely be protests, which will likely be history depending on their effectiveness in society.
Something similar happened with the protests against the Apollo program; the programs are currently remembered more than the protesters.
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It’s an interesting topic if you research it, because AI has been around since the 1960s, and there have been several winters.
If you want a general overview, you can take a look at this Wikipedia article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter