• john89@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    If anything, this should tell us the trolls won.

    Or at least have been more successful then they ever should have been.

  • Reygle@lemmy.world
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    5 days ago

    “We’re not gonna make it, are we? Humans I mean” -John Connor- Terminator 2

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      5 days ago

      I could feel my dread go as I heard that lines over the years, as a young teen? Of course we will we always have, we endure. As a middle aged adult? I’m not so sure we aren’t going to shove ourselves back to the cave man era and not enough people will listen to anyone with survival knowledge for the species to survive.

      Then I think about how many species that must have and will happen to in this vast universe, so we’ll probably be an average result heh in the grand scheme of things that is.

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        Okay, so we’re roughly in the middle…Are we on the left or the right of Fermi’s bell curve?

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    I think social media algorithms have fried people’s brains. Imagine we’d ban them, go back to content being kinda diverse and random, without adversaries able to game the system and push massive swaths of propaganda to people. The fact alone that most youths get their news from freaking TicTok of all places…

    • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      Why would anybody bad them, >50% in the US just voted to expand them massively and apply them ~everything. Oh and that money for the masses sucks versus money for grifters only, so I for one welcome Freedom Coin 2025 which rugpulls about 2 weeks after introduction.

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      5 days ago

      You know your local news network has a TikTok right? There’s nothing wrong with news from social media. The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.

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        You know your local news network has a TikTok right?

        That’s not what people watch though. People get their news from “influencers”, often time those with far right alignments, or straight from fascist parties who are the ones with the most reach on TicTok.

        The problem is that media is unregulated and people are allowed to lie and pass off that information factual.

        That’s literally what the free press is, and a fundamental pillar of a free and democratic society. Regulated media is censored media, and exactly what fascists want. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_press

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          4 days ago

          Being “press” does not give you blanket protection from lies. Alex Jones just lost his company because he lied about Sandy Hook victims.

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    RFK jr is going to kill and cripple a lot more kids if he gets the chance to. He’ll make pretend polio / measles is eradicated and then somebody will get on a plane where there are cases, and it will spread amongst the unvaxxed and kids will die. When this happens he should be charged with negligent homicide but I doubt that will happen.

    • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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      But he don’t care, because:

      • It mostly kills poor people
      • He is vaccinated
      • His kids are vaccinated
      • He couldn’t give any less fucks about people if you paid him for it. And he is being paid to not give a fuck about people’s lives.
    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      This guy’s awesome. It reads as if he’s trying to dilute the great news by suggesting wars ending a decade before or moon landings 10 years are are really why everyone’s cheering.

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        I don’t think he’s necessarily trying to dismiss this as express curiosity about that kind of reaction to that news and adding in other examples where the whole nation would have celebrated something.

        If anything, he seems to be saying that the invention of the polio vaccine is in the same class of news as the others, not that people were only celebrating the polio vaccine because they were happy about these other events that were well passed or still to come in the future.

    • SOB_Van_Owen@lemm.ee
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      In Appalachia, it was unlikely to not know someone on a vent or dead from Covid, yet…

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        4 days ago

        Trust me. I’ve been along live enough to recognize that if people don’t want to believe something, then they won’t.

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        I knew three people who died from COVID and another after they recovered from COVID, unfortunately unless it’s their direct family they would just assume ‘theyre just making it all out to be covid’

        I assume most people would blame social media for this, but here’s my c/unpopularopinions take, it’s inevitable with a profit oriented news platform, where they try to scaremonger in both ‘we are all going to die’ and ‘government is putting chips in our bloodstream’ directions

        In other nations, unless a blunder by government policy, they werent as affected by the anti vaccine shenanigans, even though they were as affected by social media and such

        • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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          And then there’s my ex who after COVID took nearly 9 months (!) to get normal use of their lung again. Fuck people who go all “COVID is bullshit”.

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          Dude my grandmother died of Covid in August pf 2020, and yet my father and his sister who is a nurse and gave her the dease arge to this day weather covid is bullshit or not. AT HER funeral they argued about mask mandates. Maga brains will watch millions die from covid, and polio and still call it fake news.

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        5 days ago

        Fox News tells you not to believe your eyes, and conservatives trust Fox News more than their own eyes.

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          Why wouldn’t they trust Fox News over their own eyes? Fox News is the most trusted name in news. At least that’s what the viewers get told when they come back from commercial breaks. It’s not like Fox would lie to them. They are the most trusted name in news after all…

          Circular logic at its finest.

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          I didn’t see anybody die of covid. 2 relatives died after getting the shot tho, of apparently unrelated cause.

          Tell me what to believe.

          • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
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            The statistics and the science, not the anecdotes and inadequate sample size.

          • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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            4 days ago

            Ugh, that’s rough.

            That being said, like you said, people die. I can’t imagine how shitty it feels but given how the COVID vaccine is the most-empirically-tested-and-documented vaccine and as a result of it’s absolutely insane number uses uses (beaten only by the likes of Aspirin and Ibuprofene and so on), it’s hopefully understandable that we not only know but know with beyond-certainty that it’s side effects are insanely rare and extremely mild.

            The reason people can extremely rarely die from a vaccination (and then it happens ~directly after getting it!) is a reaction to the actual injection, not what you get injected with. This has happened in the past, it’s just extremely improbably. There’s also the chance of an allergic reaction but for most healthy adults we would know about this as COVID would be far from our first vaccine we’re getting, and with multiple billions of uses, we know that the COVID vaccine as a whole has no allergic interactions beyond standard ones.

            That’s not to downplay your loss, sorry if it sounds that way - english is not my primary language. Not at all. Just trying to illustrate how impossible it’d be for COVID to have a lethal effect without millions~tens-of-millions showing this, simply because we have such an amount of data points.

            That is to say, someobody could get a vaccine shot, then go home, and fry themselves an egg in a new pan they bought on the way home. There is a multiple orders of magnitude higher chance of poisoning from the pan because of an undocumented chemical in the coating than from the shot. We don’t have that much data on any particular pan, not even IKEA ones. Orders of magnitude less data.

              • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
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                Hrm, the full ERs were easy to find though, news were coming up multiple times a day which hospital is rejecting patients and of doctors and nurses collapsing from 40-80 hours continuous work.

                Mass graves… trickier. We tend to not want to be faced with mass deaths in general, which is why we tend to not glorify this as much as we do personal death. They were in the news though, and of course travel to any poorer country and they were/are easy to find.

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                  We were discussing “seeing with your own eyes” vs “being told what to think by various propaganda organs”. The latter being less good.

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                You’re not alone. I also didn’t see either of those things, or know anyone that died from it.

                I’m also not denying those things exist, I’m simply affirming your reality.

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      Honestly, they are compared a lot, and while seat belts should be encouraged, I don’t think they should be mandated for adults.

      Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.

      Then again I strongly believe in the right of any adult to end their own life, even if they’re physically healthy, or it’s not their life.

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        Unlike masks, you’re only going to hurt yourself.

        Absolutely wrong. Seatbelts prevent people from turning into projectiles as well, which most definitely can harm other people.

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          In the event of a crash, a soft gooey human is probably the least likely object that flies out of that car to seriously injure someone else, and if that gooey human hits anything the car is made of first, the gooey human loses and is just further bruised against things harder than a human.

          Can you point me to a single instance of someone being injured or died because the corpse of another human, and not hard metal, plastic, or glass was launched out of the vehicle and managed to hit them?

          Because that seems like a cartoonish outcome of a crash that’s high speed enough to do so. Like one in a billion, about as likely as being next to a car crash and being killed by the shrapnel of the used gum that was under the seat.

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    I kinda suspect that shared joy might repeat if a cancer vaccine was revealed.

    We didn’t collectively suffer long enough from COVID for its vaccine to be universally embraced…

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      4 days ago

      I bet the wave of stupid correlates to the popularity of yellow journalism or the prevalence of its practices.

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      5 days ago

      You know I wonder how much of this is because we stopped doing pubic service announcements for a while?

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      5 days ago

      Something something smart people make good times that makes stupid people that make hard times that makes smart people?