I’m completely fine with “no algorithms”, I even want that. But you have to give the user control over what they want to watch instead of just throwing random videos at them.
If it suggest me things based on various factors that can be manipulated, then it is inherently bad.
And user control would be to give me filter options. Videos are already categorized & tagged, so why not let users specify which categories & tags they want to see - and which one they do not? Much better than some obtuse and brain dead algorithm flip flopping while trying to figure out what I want to watch.
manipulated by whom? if it can be manipulated so that you get to see the content you like, I say thats fine.
if you mean manipulated by 3rd parties to sell ads, then that’s bad.
this isn’t a black and white thing. it can exist without being data to sell for ads. what matters is if the one hosting the videos is willing to sell that data.
if its kept to just your own personal usage data to make your experience a better one, that’s not a terrible thing.
tags are one way for sure. but then its difficult to find new stuff that might fit your interests that you don’t have tags for.
By bad actors. Do you not remember The_Donald being practically at the top of everything on Reddit? Do you not understand why far right videos on YT & TicTok have so much traction? Everyone gets fed their own reality that completely contradicts with what is happening in the world, which is causing massive divisions among our societies.
You think your personalized feed is not manipulated like this either? Or imagine someone new to the platform, he’s gonna immediately get bombarded by propaganda and disinformation, clicks on the videos, and then the personalized feed will feed them more of the same, radicalizing them even further.
And no, I’m not and I don’t. You’re clearly not getting the topic and why it is a problem.
I’m completely fine with “no algorithms”, I even want that. But you have to give the user control over what they want to watch instead of just throwing random videos at them.
what does control over what they want to watch look like without an algorithm?
an algorithm doesn’t have to be a negative thing.
If it suggest me things based on various factors that can be manipulated, then it is inherently bad.
And user control would be to give me filter options. Videos are already categorized & tagged, so why not let users specify which categories & tags they want to see - and which one they do not? Much better than some obtuse and brain dead algorithm flip flopping while trying to figure out what I want to watch.
manipulated by whom? if it can be manipulated so that you get to see the content you like, I say thats fine.
if you mean manipulated by 3rd parties to sell ads, then that’s bad.
this isn’t a black and white thing. it can exist without being data to sell for ads. what matters is if the one hosting the videos is willing to sell that data.
if its kept to just your own personal usage data to make your experience a better one, that’s not a terrible thing.
tags are one way for sure. but then its difficult to find new stuff that might fit your interests that you don’t have tags for.
By bad actors. Do you not remember The_Donald being practically at the top of everything on Reddit? Do you not understand why far right videos on YT & TicTok have so much traction? Everyone gets fed their own reality that completely contradicts with what is happening in the world, which is causing massive divisions among our societies.
there are tweaks that can be made. also I’m talking about an individual’s personal feed
if I open tiktok right now, my feed will differ from yours. because it’s personalized. reddit is a bad example because its not personalized.
if you’re seeing far right videos on your feed its because you’re engaging with that content. you’re feeding the algorithm.
don’t engage with that garbage and you won’t see it.
You think your personalized feed is not manipulated like this either? Or imagine someone new to the platform, he’s gonna immediately get bombarded by propaganda and disinformation, clicks on the videos, and then the personalized feed will feed them more of the same, radicalizing them even further.
And no, I’m not and I don’t. You’re clearly not getting the topic and why it is a problem.
i think we are talking about two entirely different things. you’re talking about generalized stuff and I’m talking about a specific person’s feed.
I’m not talking politics or other stuff. literally just talking a personalized feed. just for entertainment.
golly. not every single thing has to lead to the end of the world, man.
chill with the “propaganda and disinformation”. I’m talking cats and anime and video games.