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Aahhh, and another Lemmy oversimplification of complicated subjects.
Just say that capitalism is the guilty one and see the upvotes come in. Let’s not go into the actual complicated reasons, just blame capitalism and then we can all circle jerk about how beautiful communism is, how communism never caused any harm whatsoever, and how any historical fact is a capitalist lie.
I’ve had quite a few interesting conversations here
Expecting complex thought from tankies is your mistake here.
If they were able to understand complex topics they would not be tankies.
Lol I get your point but you definitely don’t have to be a tankie to see that capitalism is dogshit.
So is communism
Both have godawful sides, so why not use a system that picks the best of both worlds?
The freedom and power of capitalism (with loads of limits to keep it sane) to fund the security and fairness of socialism
I don’t think you understand capitalism. Or the Confederacy. Or Nazi Germany.
The Confederacy’s main goal was to keep the right to own slaves (Ofc now racist MAGAts will claim it was about “sTaTEs RiGhTs”) because slave labor was (and still is, unfortunately) the cheapest labor around and having a drive to get the cheapest most exploited labor you can is what happens with capitalism.
Nazi Germany’s rise was fueled by widespread misery and discontent among the German populace because of Capitalism-based ‘war reparations’ like the burdensome payments mandated by the Treaty of Versailles, which crippled the economy and fueled resentment that the Nazis could exploit. Had it not been for capitalism, there might have been little desire to ruthlessly pursue monetary compensation like that and WWII might not have ever happened.
The Confederacy’s main goal was to keep the right to own slaves (Ofc now racist MAGAts will claim it was about “sTaTEs RiGhTs”) because slave labor was (and still is, unfortunately) the cheapest labor around and having a drive to get the cheapest most exploited labor you can is what happens with capitalism.
This may come as a shock, but slave labor predates capitalism, and the capitalist development of the Northern states quite explicitly undermined the viability of slave labor (hence the rebellion).
Nazi Germany’s rise was fueled by widespread misery and discontent among the German populace because of Capitalism-based ‘war reparations’ like the burdensome payments mandated by the Treaty of Versailles, which crippled the economy and fueled resentment that the Nazis could exploit.
No. This is a common misconception - the economic effects of the Treaty of Versailles were minimal on Germany, with even the famed short period of hyperinflation coming from an attempt by the German government to wiggle out of paying in a legalistic sense (it, obviously, did not work). The Nazis rose because they exploited the sense of nationalist grievance which the monarchist right had cultivated in response to losing WW1 and losing their precious monarchy with it. The German economy was not in particularly dire straits compared to other European nations of the time - but only Germany was nursing wounded pride over their ‘glorious’ empire being cut to ribbons.
Had it not been for capitalism, there might have been little desire to ruthlessly pursue monetary compensation like that and WWII might not have ever happened.
… capitalism is certainly not the cause for the Entente demanding war reparations, man.
Nazi Germany’s rise was spurred by multiple things lole wounded national pride, resentment over the loss of their monarchy, and a general feeling of “betrayal” following World War I. But calling the Treaty of Versailles’ economic impact minimal is a great understatement. The burdensome capitalism-based war reparations and Germany’s reliance on foreign loans created cycles of hyperinflation, unemployment, and economic instability, which were in turn exploited by Nazi propaganda promising revival and strength (heh side note, sound familiar? Hmm). While the reasons for their rise are complex between nationalism, political upheaval, and social tension, the economic hardship def played a significant role in amplifying that discontent. It’s entirely possible that WWII could have still occurred without like a factor or 2, which is why I said it might not have happened without the relentless focus on extracting monetary compensation for the war
As far as slaves, yes that’s true, it did exist before. But Capitalism definitely continued to drive it longer than when it would have come to a natural end
Capitalism was the one main force pushing for the end of slavery at the Contemporaneous Age. It’s basically the reason most of the world doesn’t have it anymore.
(And yeah, I mean modern Capitalism, that appeared after the Industrial Revolution.)
Capitalism was the one main force pushing for the end of slavery at the Contemporaneous Age. It’s basically the reason most of the world doesn’t have it anymore.
nope, ironically it wasn’t the capitalist institutions, but rather religious institutions that called for an end to slavery
One of these things is not like the others…
Don’t get me wrong, I am about as anti-capitalist as they come, but, what?
You’ve never heard “fascism is capitalism in decay” before?
Capitalism doesn’t mind Fascism. But that doesn’t mean it is Fascism.
Fascist sentiments aren’t sprouting up all over the Western world for no reason, it’s a reaction to decades of grinding neoliberalism.
Well yes. Fascism is a populist reactionary subset of Authoritarianism.
But capitalism isn’t a political ideology. Which is why it doesn’t care if it’s being operated by a fascist government, a liberal government, or even a single party state masquerading as communist.
I agree that fascism is a reaction to bad times. But it’s not just neo liberalism. It showed up first as a reaction to economic bad times in a liberal monarchy. Italy and Germany were hardly neo liberal, the idea wasn’t even invented yet. And at the end of the day the very people who would run a Neo liberal economy end up being allies to a fascist state as long as they bend the knee.
It really is a reaction where the people who are hurting because of the bad economy are scammed by the very people profiting from their suffering. Neo Liberalism is just the latest in a long line of ideologies to cause the required economic environment.
Capitalism is exactly the basis of fascism. Fascism can’t happen without it.
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Every fascist movement is funded and organized by the capitalist class. They are not grassroots movements, they are false revolutions that maintain the capitalists’ position of power. The January 6th riot/insurrection didn’t just magically appear, it was planned and it was funded in the millions of dollars.
Some ≠ all.
Every fascist movement is most certainly not organized by capitalists, and here’s your proof..
Maybe spend less time trying to figure out how you can blame everything on capitalism, and more time focused on the things that actually suck because of It.
Might be the dumbest thing I’ve read today.
But well, I bite. Pls elaborate why an open market enables fascism.
Open market has nothing to do with capitalism. Both communism and socialism can have open markets, as well as feudalism and mercantilism.
To answer the underlying question, fascism is the combination of state and corporate power, according to the father of fascism.
