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Apparently mozilla wants the right to get data from firefox users. But not like general information, they want to know what data you upload or download through firefox.
Without it, we couldn’t use information typed into Firefox, for example.
What the fuck? I use firefox because I want privacy!!! Not sharing my information with a company.
We need a license to allow us to make some of the basic functionality of Firefox possible. WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???
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They removed this:
{ "@type": "Question", "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?", "acceptedAnswer": { "@type": "Answer", "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. " } },I hate that they had “never will” in there. Seems like a broken promise.
They broke a promise and they broke my heart 💔💔💔
Dat want seem like it, it IS
i still like mozilla (and I donate to them monthly because i believe in the mission of an open internet) and, unlike most people, i don’t think this is a very big deal.
however, i don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket so… are there any other ethical pro open internet evangelist groups i should start to follow or contribute to? preferably an ethical foundation that isn’t cryptofash or bigoted. i know there’s the eff but they’re not really focused on an open and free internet, they’re more privacy (nothing against them; i love them).
bonus if they’re not hq’d in the us.
Alternatively…
You might not be using functions that require data to work. Are you using the AI options? Image to text? Translation? Saving passwords? Using search suggestions? Then you don’t need to send any data.
Like it or not, most browsers do most of those things now. FireFox is no exception.
This seems like a lot of smoke and no fire to me.
Even writing a post, you’re entering data through Firefox into the post box. We just don’t consider that data. It would be pretty quiet around here if you couldn’t do that…
Are you even remotely aware how browsers work? Mozilla doesn’t need to collect the information typed into your post box in order to serve the website.
Maximum wrongness on your part.
This is the original text that everyone flipped out about (OP: “WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???”):
When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.
It has since been changed to:
You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.
Use. When you input a url, that information is used to resolve an IP then fetch a webpage. You’re granting a right to complete tasks you assign using information you input. They have permission to send your post content to a server, but they don’t own that content. This should be very obvious in the revised text.
Just quoting the recent changes in their ToS doesn’t prove your previous claim that was completely unrelated to this.
Mozilla doesn’t need to collect your data in order to server pages in Firefox. Firefox operates on the client. Data collection is not necessary in order to server the decentralized web. It has never been. Like when I curl a webpage through the Linux terminal I automatically sell my soul to Linus Torvalds?
My original claim was that, in addition to gedaliyah’s points, the TOS gives them permission to perform basic browser tasks. My last comment was about the same thing. The TOS is relevant because 1) it’s the basis of this entire discussion and 2) the changes in the TOS conclusively prove my original claim.
As to “data collection” in this context, those words do not appear in the TOS and are not rights Mozilla is asserting for use of their software. It’s a fiction you invented. That was the point of me pointing out the use of the word “use” – describing that term and distinguishing its meaning from the thing you made up.
Well shoot if Firefox goes I guess we’re back to carrier pigeons and smoke signals.
How about Orion?
Or just make NetSurf good enough?
NetSurf updates are very slow
NetSurf needs more developers, which is one of the reasons for the development pace, and I’m happy for every occasion to help them get more, so here’s today’s one.
(Mature software needs fewer updates than fresh software too, but that’s probably not the most critical aspect here.)
I have really high hopes that Ladybird picks up the slack
Or make NetSurf good enough? It’s mature (and lacking developers), Ladybird is not.
So wtf happened at Mozilla for this 180 degree course change? This literally goed against everything it was supposed to stand for
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Uh huh, that is called a typo with auto correct on top of it
There is the part where you interact with Forefox. Without your data, it just won’t work. They need your timezone, your screen size,… I mean, that’s for every browser around, even the most hardened system. This data can be used for fingerprinting so you should be aware and you should agree upon that usage or quit the internet.
i.e. using a browser is sending data towards that browser.
What a whole lot of bloated bullshit. This isn’t clearer at all.
Time to switch to the Mullvad browser!
An alternative browser (not based on the Chromium) should be driven by the community (vide Proton).
Please pardon my ignorance on the matter, how does Mullvad compare to Brave?
The Mullvad browser is based on the gecko engine while Brave is based on chromium.
I dont trust Brave much because the ceo Brendan Eich is into right-wing politics and bitcoin.
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so why weren’t they in there before? moz’s lawyers have obviously never thought they even need a policy before now, so what changed?
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Why the hell does my HTML renderer need a baked-in frontend for a privacy nightmare that requires I sign over rights for every keystroke even if I don’t use it? If Mozilla really wants to roll it out themselves, make it an extension available for download and tie your abysmal terms of use to that, don’t upend your entire reputation for the latest big tech trend.
And the sentiment against AI on lemmy absolutely sucks dick. I’m tempted to go back to Reddit because this place is luddite.ml at this point. People who’ve never spun up a local model on their GPU talk like they have trifecta PhD creds in comp sci
Oh poor you, how dare people appropriately respond to foil-plated shit being advertised to us as platinum decor. Stay away from glue on days you use your computer
Do you think sucking dick is a bad thing?
Most people want features like AI
as someone who runs local inference all the time, i think that centralized online models have no place anywhere near consumers. partly because the things they offer are trivial and offload critical skills, partly because they require insane amounts of energy, and partly because they are privacy nightmares. all things that are against moz’s stated mission. and yet here we are.
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moz are behind llamafiles, but ollama is a separate entity.
also, chat models are just not that useful. i’m all for their local translation models and the like, but chat is just a toy.
WHY DO YOU NEED MY DATA TO MAKE FIREFOX WORK???
They don’t care about your actual data, they care about how Firefox is used. That’s an incredible important piece of information every developer needs to know.
How else do you get to know, what’s working right and what doesn’t? How do you plan development for the next years if you don’t know what to develop?This is about throwing millions of $ at the right thing. If you miss you are fucked.
If data can be abused it will be abused.
You use your own software and read bug reports.
That only gives you a biased and incomplete insight.
Oh no, does this mean that Mozilla doesn’t give a damn about the privacy of their last twelve users? I.e. those who did not see that coming a decade ago?
Used FF forever, even though the birth and rise of Chrome.
We’re done. The company I IT for therefore is also done. As are friends and family I sort computers for.
The shit now stinks and must be taken out.
Reading through their privacy policy, it seems pretty normal stuff to me… Even ensuring that more data stays local than other browsers.
This sounds like bad communication more than bad software.
This isn’t really even bad communication. This is idiots with a platform screaming FUD for attention.
Used FF forever
So you probably should remember the Mozilla FAQ entry that it’s “Firefox”, not “FireFox”; and that’s why they prefer “fx” because “FF” makes no sense. ;-p
At a time when they could actually be pushing the Manifest issue and try to finally get a foothold, instead it feels like they have scattered rakes around the yard in the middle of the night and decided to go for a jog.
it’s not like anyone who cares hasn’t pulled up stakes tbh
