Hmmm, so what you are saying is that I am just one ad blocker failing away from being productive in life?
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing. News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
And also… I’ll never understand this. I use YouTube and don’t give a shit about ads. The moment they start bothering me- I’ll stop using YouTube. It’s that easy. Don’t like it, walk away.
If you hate something so much, yet can’t stop using it- you have an addiction. Ads are not the problem here.
Silliest comment of the week
People do nothing but incessantly complain about thing- yet still use thing.
Go ahead and show the alternative, the alternative that has the content we need.
Before you respond that youtube is an entertainment service, I want to remind you that it isn’t, but that it’s only a part of it. You won’t handwave it away as if we were discussing netflix being enshittified.
I’m not using youtube for listening to music videos and such things, never were. When I end up there it’s because of a search result showing a relevrelevant video there, like disassembly of this or that, and such.
News flash folks; You’re never going to win this. YouTube will always be ahead of you on this.
That’s objectively false. uBlock Origin devs and filterlist makers are doing a very good job.
Don’t like it, walk away.
That’s very similar to saying “don’t like your government? don’t like it, walk away, found your own”.
Yeah, that’s not his it works.I bet you would be the first to call those who abandoned youtube as cavemen for not being able to access some video you shared
I stay a few steps ahead of them. I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in months.
Firefox with ublock origin on desktop / laptop
Grayjay mobile app
Smarttube on Android TV (also Flauncher customer launcher so I don’t have to see any ads on my TV home screen)
I feel like there is an argument to be made about ads being put into damn near everything. They’ve become way too prominent in every aspect of daily life. There are so many things you cannot do without having an ad rammed down your throat. Youtube isn’t the best example of this, but if you start giving up things that have ads, you will eventually have nothing. The root problem is corporate greed. Line must go up at an ever increasing angle, and shareholders must make maximum profit. How do they accomplish that? Ads. Regulatory bodies must step in before everything we see in a digital spaces (and a lot of real spaces too) becomes covered in advertisements.
Won’t be long before we go to the beach to watch the sunset, and there’s a floating billboard for mountain Dew covering it up. It’s out of control.
So again, no one is going to win this. The only recourse is to stop using YouTube.
That’s it.
That’s how you win. You don’t play. But constantly whining about their practices while continuing to support their platform with visits is not doing the damage you think it’s doing.
They will always be steps ahead of you.
to stop using youtube, to stop using your TV sized display that you have bought for a lot of money, stop using your car because it shows ads on the dashboard, public transport for the same reason, and the public roads too because every 10 meters there will be a billboard with even integrated tracking too.
yeah, defeatism was never a solution
You didn’t really reply to my comment. You kinda just said the same thing again, but anyway.
I guess we’ll just agree to disagree. You can use YouTube without viewing ads. There are ways around it.
My point was, for the average consumer, there are way too many ads being put into everything, and unless you’re savvy enough to navigate around this, the only way this will change is with regulatory intervention, which can actually happen.
They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.
I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.
Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍
Tubular :)
Had to jump into the ‘name your alternative’ thread hehe.
Tubular because it includes SponsorBlock.
Tubular feels better, in my opinion.
Revanced ftw
newpipe
It’s excellent that alternatives and ad blockers do exist but we need regulatory action to hold companies accountable for things that are designed to worsen user experience to pressure people into paying. It’s also a serious accessibility issue, to increasingly have everything be bright and loud and motion filled and unpausable all the time. This trend goes beyond YouTube and it sucks, we need to regulate this nonsense.
governments will not do anything that upsets the big companies like Google. Adblockers are are only defence against Google and others.
Actually, good news, they have! Google just lost its search monopoly trial with the US government, and they seem to be about to lose their advertising monopoly trial too. The US FTC also just released a report (not a legal action) concluding that all the big companies have abused data collection and recommended that the government do something to make those practices unprofitable for companies. I know the EU has also been doing some significant stuff, both against apple specifically and big gatekeeper companies generally. You can certainly argue it’s not enough, and I would agree with you - but it’s given me some optimism that more action and real enforcement might be in the near future in many countries.
It’s pretty stupid to introduce ads on the pause screen. Usually I would pause something because I am either:
A) Being interrupted and need to focus on something else like a phone call or a family member talking to me, and wouldn’t be paying attention to the screen anyways.
B) Need to leave to go somewhere else like the fridge for a snack and wouldn’t be paying attention to the screen anyways.
Or
C) Just want to take a break and want to do something else which involves opening another window or program and wouldn’t be paying attention to the window with YouTube open.
In every scenario where I pause YouTube and add playing would not provide any value to the entity paying YouTube to play the ad.
And in every scenario, if an ad began playing when I pause youtube it would cause me to mute my sound and/or turn off my monitor and just cause me to get super annoyed at YouTube or at whatever product is being advertised and how to never buy it ever.
What a weird downslope of a take that will obviously result in authoritarian government power expansion and futher censorship.
Just stop using it and support alternatives that dont do it. Have some self control.
Name a single viable alternative to YouTube at this point in time. Alternative frontends don’t count, since they still rely on YouTube to work. None of the creators I watch upload anywhere else.
People always say shit like this as if people don’t have a multitude of different life circumstances that affect and coerce how they interact with technology. That’s just how capitalism works. It’s not a matter of willpower. Privacy Bootstraps Theory is unhelpful. Being able to completely opt out of entrenched tech monopolies is a privilege. It’s great that you can do that, not everybody can.
Regulating capitalism = authoritarianism. What a weird take. Regulating capitalism =/= abolishing capitalism, this I can understand. But your take… wow.
Do you think regulations are just blanket authoritarian actions. Sometimes we need government intervention to ensure and protect people’s rights.
🤡
And good people argue how adblock and sponssrblock are fair game for your shitty company practices
Anyone else remember when new technology used to be fun and exciting instead of miserable?
Long gone are the days when I used be excited to read update notes for new features… Now I just hope they don’t god damn force an update on me.
Just use Free and Open Source Software!
It can always fuck up with updates, but usually you just get more free stuff and it’s awesome.
And always donate if you find the project useful!
I went back to an old APK of Twitch and refuse to update to the current dumpster fire.
I use PurpleTV and it’s been great. It’s a Twitch fork modified to block ads, reduce bloat, and include customisation for chat, player and other components.
Don’t know if we can share links here but the APK can be easily found online, still being updated semi-regularly. I won’t come back to the official app as long as I’m able. :)
Cheers for that. I had other third party apps way back in the day but they lacked some features. Will check it out.
Xtra is great https://github.com/crackededed/Xtra/
They also leak your User ID and IP to a 3rd party.
ugh.
Twire is a great alternative though.
https://github.com/twireapp/Twire
And it only connects to Twitch! :) (Plus betterttv or alternatives in case support for them are activated iirc)
is there a way to watch stuff without using a Twitch account with it? I’ve tried just skipping the login process, but search returns no results when I search for streamers or games.
Somewhere along the line, maybe the early to mid 2000’s they stopped making products “for” the end-user and flipped it around so the end-user (their data) is now the product, and the customers are governments, corporations, and share holders.
Because those shareholders (billionaires) and corporations drained the consumers of all of their money and now they’re the most profitable demographic to market to.
shareholders
If 0.000…01% shareholders count:
Guessing a lotta us have a few bucks in index funds… suppose that ain’t cool, gotta find a principled fund.
The most principled funds must only invest in like three companies cuz every corp has some problem.
That’s part of the reason why new community oriented projects are way more interesting to me now than most software. There are some outliers in the space who still have dedicated people in their craft rather than for money but it is fewer and farther between.
Absolutely. Although, this is just making old technology worse because web 3.0 and AI aren’t performing to corpo expectations.
That’s what happens when you aren’t the (sole) paying customer.
Some of it is. Just different (not mainstream) technology.
The fuck they are
I’d rather see them on pause screen than interrupting the playback but because we can’t have any nice things, interruptions will also only get worse.
Yeah, I guarantee you google isn’t interested in showing you one or the other. They want the revenue from both. My only question is, if you pause an ad, can you get another ad in your ad?
The infinitebad windows, how deep can you go!?!?
This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.
Goodbye Meemaw.
Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?
Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?
https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en
This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.
Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.
Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps
Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.
Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.
Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.
CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.
If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr
Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!
I wonder how this furthers your agenda…
or invidious, grayjay, ytdl, etc…
I agree, but most Invidious instances are currently broken, Grayjay isn’t really FOSS and youtube-dl/yt-dlp aren’t really great for watching videos, they’re better for archiving them.
Invidious: News to me. My instance has never been down.
GrayJay: News to me… https://github.com/futo-org/grayjay-android I can see the full source… and the license seems pretty “free” to me… https://github.com/futo-org/grayjay-android/blob/master/LICENSE.md with only caveat being that you can’t distribute it for payment. I’m fine with that… and most others should be fine with that too.
ytdl: depends on the service using it. https://www.tubearchivist.com/ uses ytdl and gives you a little frontend for it. Works fine for watching and you can set it to watch for uploads from channels.If you host your own private instance, it’s less likely to get blocked. But quite a few public instance are having trouble right now.
Grayjay is source-available, but not free & open-source software.
Downloading YouTube videos works, but it’s probably not the desired workflow for most people. It takes up storage space on your disk, and you have to wait for the video to download, before you can watch it. I like Tube Archivist, and use it myself for archiving videos, but I wouldn’t consider it a great solution for just watching videos. I think LibreTube, FreeTube or a self-hosted Invidious instance are better solutions here.
I’m betting these wont work on a Roku Tv huh? Kiddo likes putting music videos for shapes and beats but the constant POLITICAL ads are driving me nuts.
You can try this one https://github.com/iBicha/playlet
Thats awesome! Looks like it runs off of Invidious and they’re having issues right now. I’ll check back in on it and hopefully they can get back up and running again!
Some instances like inv.nadeko.net still work pretty well
You can also host your own instance at home on a small server or a VPS. You can optionally put it behind a VPN using Gluetun.
Oh nice, thanks again! I started testing the instances in the app but they were failing at pulling the videos during the tests. The instance you mentioned looks to be working!
I’m not familiar with using a VPS, I’ll have to look into that. i have pihole running on a mac mini with my router using that for dns and I’m an avid user of ProtonVPN.
You can easily deploy Invidious on that Mac as well. Just use Docker, Invidious has pretty good documentation for that: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/#docker-compose-method-production
I used to host Invidious like that on a Mac for almost a year, it worked flawlessly
That is awesome. I’ll see if i can give that a go!
lol, ads
Lol, YouTube
Soon: when you pause a video, it starts playing a video ad with audio, to make sure no silence time gets wasted from your speakers.
And your speakers are on subscription plans that charge you for every second that they play noise. Better upgrade to the next tier if you want to listen to anything else!
That’s fine, the ad co struck a deal with speaker co to not bill for those sound-seconds.
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There is also a tax on when the speakers are not in use.
Imagine if they pulled that on the idle timeout pause screen too…
What if you paused so you could see something? You’re not allowed to read that text in the background because ads
Great point. I already find this to be a problem with the recommendations that pop up when paused, and the end-video elements they throw over everything despite having that turned off everywhere I can find it. It’s all so dumb. Just so damn dumb.
They’ll likely do what other platforms have done and let you X out the ad til you unpause
Not on my watch.
For that they’re waiting on the paperwork to go through with Apple.
Just gonna say I hate this when other apps do this. I pause cause I need to concentrate on something else. Showing an ad just makes that even harder. Now I have to pause AND close the app.
Just close it straight away…
“We need to make double the money”
You’re joking but infinite growth is the broken basis of our financial system. Shareholder are legally entitled to request growth.
YouTube has cornered the earth market, they have practically no room to grow, the only thing they have left is to increase the revenue per view, so ad stuffing will get worse quarter after quarter. Eventually they’ll have to put ads in the ads and play them 5 at a time.
And yet people still say “if you don’t like ads, pay up” as if getting ads in a subscription is not a matter of time, like it’s happening to streaming.
Yeah and YouTube already has a “pay money but still get ads plan”. And they’ll likely continue raising prices on all plans
