According to…? If you read the article the leaks were cross referenced and verified using things like time, date, other communications and even individual signatures.
Internal documents are some of the most sought after forms of evidence when examining crimes against humanity. One of the reasons the Holocaust is beyond doubt is because the Nazi had so many “secret” documents.
the risk of whataboutism, you have Israel engaged in genocidal mass murder on video.
Yes, and one of the reasons why is because foreign journalist have access to the region. One wonders why China have levied so many access restrictions to Xinjiang.
Politics of shit talking China is far more important than any objective principle of oppression.
Sounds like a projection to me. I would say you care more about defending any type of criticism more than oppression that is happening.
There is genuine context/exaggeration to all of these points.
Such as?
Demographics and income specifically show Xinxiang doing better than average in China.
Would you care to extrapolate on this, or should I just take your claims as fact?
This is measuring overall population change, not specific to the ethnic group we are talking about. The CCP has been subsidizing Han immigration into the area and displacing the native population.
Again, the government has been increasing spending in the region to entice Han citizens to move to the area. This does not say anything about the native population.
“Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population.”
“Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population.”
“The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand.”
“The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化).”
“Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned.”
Your claim of greater context seems to be lacking any kind of context at all. It’s pretty clear you have no real knowledge of the history of ethnic conflict in Asia at all, nor do you seem to be able to differentiate between the demographics of a region from the demographics of the ethnic minority in the region.
Like I said, I do admire a lot about China’s government and their ability to lift a huge population out of poverty. However, they are currently undergoing a conservative culture revisionism when it comes to things like minority and women’s rights. If you want to examine the problem yourself I’d suggest looking at the rapid decline of representation of both women and minorities in both local governments and the politburo compared to even 20 years ago.
Again, I don’t think you really know much about the region, or just how pivotal ethnic conflict is to the modern identity of China.
You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
I appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history, that using this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition, maybe the only practical purpose of historians, is the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history
Distant history? All of this is modern history… The vast majority nof the immigration to the region happened in the 00’s.
Just because there are worse examples of government sanctioned abuse towards minorities, does not mean we should defend or deny any kind of abuse. Should we not condemn the genocide in Gaza because at one point the Israeli experienced a greater genocide? What is the logic of this way of thinking?
this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition,
This is just history…attempting to rewrite or cover up historical events is the politicization of history.
the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
Your edit may be the most ethically devoid statement I’ve ever seen on this site. I think you really need to examine your moral compass.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
I wouldn’t say native Americans have done as well as Uyghur, or received as much investment and job creation. I would say that giving them all US land ownership is not an option to undo injustice.
You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism
As I already said, the government has made massive efforts to assimilate the region and have pushed the majority native population away from major cities which are now being used for tourism.
YouTube tourist are not journalist, they are not members of international rights groups. They are still highly restrictive of travel to areas where the vast majority of where the native Uyghur populations were relocated to.
showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Because that’s what is traditionally important to cultural and religious heritage … luxury?
If Israel rebuilds the Great Mosque of Gaza and turns it into a “luxury Mosque” as a tourist attraction…would that be okay?
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
If I was really just propagandizing for the west, wouldn’t I be making excuses or trying to downplay the genocide occurring in Gaza? Please, just stop engaging in partisanship and use some critical thinking skills.
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
I’m not calling your history claims lies. I’m saying they don’t justify sanctions on the region, and that we’ve seen far worse. Also, I mainly see the 2014 Chinese government reaction to be proportionate and reasonable, and that their investment in the last 5 years especially commendable.
According to…? If you read the article the leaks were cross referenced and verified using things like time, date, other communications and even individual signatures.
Internal documents are some of the most sought after forms of evidence when examining crimes against humanity. One of the reasons the Holocaust is beyond doubt is because the Nazi had so many “secret” documents.
Yes, and one of the reasons why is because foreign journalist have access to the region. One wonders why China have levied so many access restrictions to Xinjiang.
Sounds like a projection to me. I would say you care more about defending any type of criticism more than oppression that is happening.
Such as?
Would you care to extrapolate on this, or should I just take your claims as fact?
population growth (2010-2020) 4th highest province: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_population#/media/File:Annual_population_growth_rate_by_Chinese_province.svg
Xinxiang has had autonomous long term exemptions to one child policy.
gdp growth 2024, 2nd highest: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1179690/china-gross-domestic-product-gdp-growth-by-region-province/#%3A~%3Atext=GDP+growth+in+China+2024%2C+by+region&text=In+2024%2C+the+annual+real%2Cat+5.0+percent+in+2024.
longer term growth, shows the region outperforming China average, with higher outperformance in recent years. https://www.statista.com/statistics/804093/china-gdp-annual-growth-of-xinjiang-province/
This is measuring overall population change, not specific to the ethnic group we are talking about. The CCP has been subsidizing Han immigration into the area and displacing the native population.
Again, the government has been increasing spending in the region to entice Han citizens to move to the area. This does not say anything about the native population.
“Xinjiang is a vast region with an area of 1.66 million km2. Until the 1950s, Uyghurs were the majority ethnic group in the region, accounting for more than 90 percent of the total population.”
“Between the 1940s and the 1980s, attempts to incorporate the region into the modern Chinese national state brought about a 2,500 per cent increase in the Han population. Today, Han and Uyghurs each account for approximately 40 per cent of Xinjiang’s total population of roughly 25.5 million. Clearly, the basic trajectory over the past decades has been one of moving Han rapidly into the region. This is coupled in more recent years with a significant shrinking of the Uyghur population.”
“The Han population in the region increased at an average rate of 8.1 per cent yearly, from 5 per cent in 1947 to around 40 per cent in 2000. Officially, Uyghurs comprise about 45 percent of Xinjiang’s permanent population with Han representing approximately 42 percent, and Kazakh, Hui and other ethnicities making up the rest. However, these figures belie the very high number of long-term resident and temporary Han migrant workers as well as thousands of security personnel in Xinjiang. They also obscure data from the 2020 Chinese Statistical Yearbook, showing that between 2017 and 2019 the birth rate in Xinjiang dropped approximately 48.7 per cent, from 15.88 per thousand in 2017 to 8.14 per thousand in 2019. The average for all of China was 10.48 per thousand.”
“The capital of the province itself went from being a city in which there were hardly any Han Chinese before 1949 to one in which the Uyghurs have been almost completely displaced. In addition, across Xinjiang, urban redesign projects have demolished hundreds of thousands of homes and resettled millions of Uyghur residents on the pretext of ‘civilization’ (文明) and ‘beautification’ (美化).”
“Since the mid-1990s, the gradual exclusion of Uyghurs from state-based employment – and the rising number of private jobs – is statistically verifiable from a variety of sources. While Han Chinese were able to secure employment, Uyghurs were kept out of construction jobs, road-building projects and oil and gas pipelines. Uyghurs with graduate degrees were only employed at an estimated 15 per cent, and, according to a 2013 study, Uyghurs earned an average of 59 per cent of what their Han counterparts earned.”
Source from Minority Rights Group
Your claim of greater context seems to be lacking any kind of context at all. It’s pretty clear you have no real knowledge of the history of ethnic conflict in Asia at all, nor do you seem to be able to differentiate between the demographics of a region from the demographics of the ethnic minority in the region.
Like I said, I do admire a lot about China’s government and their ability to lift a huge population out of poverty. However, they are currently undergoing a conservative culture revisionism when it comes to things like minority and women’s rights. If you want to examine the problem yourself I’d suggest looking at the rapid decline of representation of both women and minorities in both local governments and the politburo compared to even 20 years ago.
Again, I don’t think you really know much about the region, or just how pivotal ethnic conflict is to the modern identity of China.
You will call Chinese propaganda on this too, but plenty of youtube tourism showing vibrant and prosperous region with luxury maintained Mosques.
Note also that their success is despite the lying based demonism of sanctions on the region.
I appreciate the distant history is imperfect, but there are so many worse “progroms” and minority dominance stories in history, that using this as yet another politicization of history for warmongering ammunition, maybe the only practical purpose of historians, is the goal with zero consideration for peace and prosperity and contentment achieved by recent approach.
Addressing your editorializing.
Distant history? All of this is modern history… The vast majority nof the immigration to the region happened in the 00’s.
Just because there are worse examples of government sanctioned abuse towards minorities, does not mean we should defend or deny any kind of abuse. Should we not condemn the genocide in Gaza because at one point the Israeli experienced a greater genocide? What is the logic of this way of thinking?
This is just history…attempting to rewrite or cover up historical events is the politicization of history.
By this logic the genocide and assimilation of the native American population is entirely valid.
Your edit may be the most ethically devoid statement I’ve ever seen on this site. I think you really need to examine your moral compass.
I wouldn’t say native Americans have done as well as Uyghur, or received as much investment and job creation. I would say that giving them all US land ownership is not an option to undo injustice.
As I already said, the government has made massive efforts to assimilate the region and have pushed the majority native population away from major cities which are now being used for tourism.
YouTube tourist are not journalist, they are not members of international rights groups. They are still highly restrictive of travel to areas where the vast majority of where the native Uyghur populations were relocated to.
Because that’s what is traditionally important to cultural and religious heritage … luxury?
If Israel rebuilds the Great Mosque of Gaza and turns it into a “luxury Mosque” as a tourist attraction…would that be okay?
Again…you have failed to establish that the accusations are lies. You have yet to make any kind of rebuttal that addresses any of the evidence I’ve posted.
I don’t get how you can have such nationalist views of a country you have never been to, nor know any of the modern history.
Are you claiming that all ethnic prejudice in East Asia is propaganda, or just this particular case? I really don’t understand how you can be so uncritical of the ethnic abuse in one country but not another.
If I was really just propagandizing for the west, wouldn’t I be making excuses or trying to downplay the genocide occurring in Gaza? Please, just stop engaging in partisanship and use some critical thinking skills.
I’m not calling your history claims lies. I’m saying they don’t justify sanctions on the region, and that we’ve seen far worse. Also, I mainly see the 2014 Chinese government reaction to be proportionate and reasonable, and that their investment in the last 5 years especially commendable.