I agree. Nobody should be risking their safety / livelihood / whatever to host a random internet discussion site. That doesn’t mean we should leave the situation as it is. I believe the main concern is to move off the !europe comm there and onto the new one at [email protected]

Given that the main issue is they’re the host for !europe, an alternative comm has been set up at [email protected]

The mods don’t seem to think it’s a major issue, I haven’t heard any of them actually admit this is a problematic situation to have. Some folks have set up a new community at [email protected]

Germany, and any criticism of Israel, or dealings with thereof, that crosses a somewhat arbitrary (for those of us living outside Germany) line.

Gonna mention that [email protected] has been set up as an alternative for Europe-centric discussions

Mostly that they host the main Europe-centric comm, [email protected]. You can see the problem when criticism of Europe’s most powerful country is censored in said comm, and users banned, for relatively innocuous comments.

Good point.

I’m not going to condemn people for choosing to follow the law while they live there and without knowing the context of their situation. The law is what has to change.

TBH, I had to google what ‘trivialising national socialism’ actually means. Could you provide your context or understanding for it in this situation?

At some point, the TLDR stops being a TLDR if you pack every point into it. That also brings up the discussion of what is considered trivialization of national socialism, etc.

None of this addressed the locking of post regarding the current genocide with 0-1 posts.

That was previously explained here: https://slrpnk.net/comment/15701097. I think it made things worse, but hindsight is 20/20.

They are actively removing the ability to discuss, regardless of opinion, Israel’s genocide and only Israel’s genocide.

That is true. For legal reasons, so the blame should fall on the govt of Germany, but true nonetheless

That was previously explained here: https://slrpnk.net/comment/15701097. I think it made things worse, but hindsight is 20/20.

I updated the TLDR to (hopefully) make it clearer.

That’s… not the previous post I linked.

Am I correct in saying that the announcement essentially boils down to ‘We support the mods, and don’t think they (or we) have done anything wrong. Here’s why.’?

The previous post which I linked, did not make any accusations beyond stating there was a trend to the posts being locked (which there obviously was). The comments were, but I assume if you’ve read all the comments in this comm in the past few days you’ve had ample opportunity to make up your own mind and the TLDR isn’t going to influence that.

Nothing in the announcement is really a surprise, or unexpected. I disagree with the extent of the mod actions, and I feel reasonably certain some mods are using it as cover for pushing their own opinions. I also understand how the legal threat binds the behaviour of the admins. I will say that those who think this legal restriction on speech and discussion is a good thing are deluded.

If you’re getting banned from THIS comm / instance you’re probably doing something deserving.

I’d go with the latter, since the former seems open to confusion (and overlapping search results)

That’s funny, seeing as I purposefully kept my post neutral in tone. The TLDR is almost directly lifted from their own statement: “In this instance, we fully support the moderators of [email protected]”. I made no claims or insinuations one way or another, it’s weird how you’re being so defensive right off the bat. My purpose for this post was to spark discussion, not condemnation.

Given the current problems with sockpuppets and trolls, it might be best for you to be commenting this from a more established account.

I went ahead and made one.