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Cake day: June 18th, 2023

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  • Thanks for the TLDR, I agree all of those are very bad, and strong indicators of alcoholism.
    But I’m very surprised that as many as 10% 12+ year experience that within a year? (12% men 8% women)
    But maybe that’s because I never had problems myself, when I was younger I hated if I could feel alcohol clouding my thoughts just the slightest. So I basically didn’t drink at all while in education. I probably still choose to be with people that don’t drink much, because I still absolutely prefer moderation.

    I know your numbers are American, but I think it’s probably about the same here. Again I’m honestly very surprised that so many people have such serious problems?









  • Several things determine the danger of a drug. One of the most important is the “distance” from pleasure to lethal dose. In that regard alcohol is way less dangerous than kokain.

    Another risk is how easy you build dependency, and again you can easily enjoy a shared bottle of wine for dinner, or a beer during a break, and even get drunk in the weekend every weekend for years, all without building a dependency, you really have to abuse alcohol to become an alcoholic.

    Finally there’s the way you take it, where alcohol is consumed relatively slowly, and the uptake through the digestive system is also relatively slow. Kokain is taken quickly, to obtain a rush and a the high quickly, and the uptake is directly to the blood through mucosa, way quicker than if it had to go through the digestive system.
    This makes kokain (cocaine) way more likely to create a dependency, and is also why it’s generally considered more dangerous.

    So objectively by perfectly standard measures, kokain is way more dangerous than alcohol. Even without accounting for the extra dangers from kokain being illegal, like the addition of adulterants that are very dangerous.