Are you sure we’re talking about the same Labour party? Cause the Labour party i know is Blairite through and through. It was also under Labour that Britain started to wage ruthless and bloody military campaigns post WW2 in an attempt to cling to its colonial empire, for instance in Malaya. These are their genes, that is their fundamental character: imperialism and neoliberalism. Corbyn was an outlier, a short-lived exception.

They’ve certainly exceeded my expectations so far, and i feel like it’s a really good sign of the changing times. I wish them all the best and hope they continue to become more and more revolutionary.

Typical socdem L

It’s sad that they were duped but hopefully this experience has taught them a lesson.

I wish i could be as optimistic but i still think this will go well into next year. Would love to be wrong about this though.

“Steiner will come through any moment now.”

The US and EU did in 2 years what Putin not only couldn’t but didn’t ever really want to do in over 20 years, and Russia is better off for it.

All good points. Plus there is precedent, as there has already been a coup against a MAS party government in Bolivia once, so at first glance another coup happening seems very plausible. They (reactionaries, three letter agencies, etc.) have plenty of motive to do one.

I’m not going to take a position on this yet, as i feel like we don’t really have enough information to make an informed judgement.

Until we know more, which hopefully will happen once there is a proper investigation and trial, there are four main possibilities:

1. Evo Morales is correct and this was a political gambit by Arce to shore up his own position
2. He is half right in that it was planned but as a ploy to get traitors inside the military to expose themselves and give the government excuse to purge them (i rate this as unlikely - Arce doesn’t seem like the type for this kind of thing; no one in MAS does)
3. He is wrong but he was misinformed by forces either domestic or foreign trying to drive a further wedge in the party
4. He is wrong and is himself trying to politically maneuver against Arce to make a return as president and leader of the party

Whatever the case may be, this is not a good look to have a figure as respected as Morales make such accusations against a government of his own party. I have to question his strategic judgement on this.

And either way, those in the military who participated, at least at the officer level and above, need to be purged, along with serious prison time for the top brass involved. Because even if it was orchestrated by Arce it is unacceptable that they went along with it.

It’s not “significantly lower” but it is lower. It is correct that when the MoD writes “losses” they are referring to the combined number of sanitary (wounded) and irretrievable (dead) losses. But we know from a lot of reporting that for Ukraine that ratio is not good, they are having significant trouble getting medical help to their frontline troops in time and often they just leave them there. So if you just take half of that number from the MoD you already have a reasonable estimate.

You assume that they systematically over-report but the truth is you don’t know that, and for all we know there could be systematic under-reporting happening to an even greater degree. A lot of Russian commentators have suggested that the MoD really only reports what can be visually verified as a hit, but there is a lot that happens that can’t be directly observed. There are a lot of spotter drones, but not everywhere and seldom for strikes in the rear on logistics and such. And as you say, all of this is before you include losses from non-combat related causes.

So far the MoD numbers have tended to be very reliable, or at least composed according to the best information available to them. Insofar as they have reported on Russian losses they have also tended to agree with the estimates of pro-western organizations like BBC’s Mediazona which while biased at least try to have a somewhat decent methodology.

So yes, take any numbers that the MoD puts out with a grain of salt, but at least they are not the inverse opposite of reality like in the case of the nonsense that Ukraine claims.

Not if they “learn history” by watching YouTube history channels.

So in your theory, the opposition parties are committing a color revolution

They certainly tried. What else would you call it when western backed NGOs organize astroturfed protests and violent riots aimed at toppling the elected government because the government is trying to pass a law that would expose foreign funding of said NGOs? When western politicians shamelessly go to Georgia to participate in and support the protests, just like they did in Ukraine on the Maidan in 2014?

It doesn’t get much more transparent. Next you will claim that the Maidan coup was just a “peaceful revolution”, or that the violent western-funded mob in Hong Kong were just “pro-democracy activists”?

only one nation is actually on someone else’s sovereign territory.

NATO has been in Ukraine since 2014 and Ukrainian troops have been on Russian territory since 2022 when the new oblasts voted in a referendum to join Russia. And is a country really sovereign if their government is a puppet for foreign powers?

you don’t think the people ordering bombs being dropped on civilians may have something to do with Ukrainian’s detriment?

I do think that, which is why i said that the Nazi Kiev regime that was put in place by a western orchestrated coup is harming Ukraine.

They are the ones who have been dropping bombs on civilians in Donetsk and Lugansk since 2014. Them doing so forced Russia to intervene to protect those people and as a result there is now a larger conflict in Ukraine.

Next you’re going to claim that Palestine engineered their own genocide

Comparing Palestinians with Nazis who want to commit ethnic cleansing is grotesque genocide apologetics and literally a Zionist talking point. This shows to me that you are not engaging in good faith. Good bye.

The communist party is a small part of the coalition of parties attempting to block the Georgian dream party.

So if it’s acceptable for those “communists” to join forces with western backed color revolution agents, then surely it is not a big deal for other communists to critically support the Georgian government in its suppressing of said color revolutionists and reconciliation with Russia. Since we have abandoned any pretense of moral purity anyway…

I’d hardly call countries defending against an invasion the “warmongers” of the situation.

If that’s what you think is happening you haven’t been paying attention. You’re just regurgitating the western mainstream media’s propaganda narrative, which as usual is the exact opposite of reality.

Yes they are the warmongers, they are the ones who purposely engineered the conflict and who continue to needlessly prolong it to Ukraine’s detriment, all while their reckless and desperate escalations risk widening the conflict and put us all in danger.

They are not defending anything, they are merely using Ukraine to try and harm Russia. When just like Georgia, Ukraine’s interests would be best served by refusing to continue to be a western puppet and mending ties with Russia instead, that’s just a fact.

Have they really stopped anything, has this benefited Russia or the people of Hungary in any meaningful way?

So far they’ve prevented Hungary being drawn into to the conflict. Hungary has wisely refused to send weapons to the conflict zone, recognizing that by doing so it only prolongs the conflict and gets more Ukrainians and Russians killed.

Of course it has benefited the people of Hungary. While other NATO and EU countries ruin their economies and impoverish their people with anti-Russian sanctions and billions flushed down the toilet in the corrupt black hole that is Ukraine, Hungary has looked out for its own people’s interest and kept energy prices and inflation low.

When other NATO countries send their soldiers to die in Ukraine, Hungarian soldiers will still be safe in their own country. And when Russia strikes back at other NATO countries that have made the mistake of making themselves a co-belligerent in the conflict, Hungary will remain untouched.

Turns out having good relations with and refusing to be drawn into conflict against a nearby major power is good for your people. I know, what a shocker!

Which imperialist camp?

There is only one imperialist camp

His troops are in Russia. The new regions are now a part of Russia and it is Ukraine that is occupying them. Giving them up is surrender. Allowing NATO to take Ukraine is surrender.

I ask you again: what do you think would happen to the people living there if Russia stopped defending them and let them be overrun by Nazis who hate them and consider them subhuman?

The peace offers were the best deal Ukraine was ever going to get. Every time they refuse, the outcome gets worse for them. At some point you have to acknowledge reality.

Putin didn’t start the war, NATO did in 2014 when they toppled an elected government and put their Nazi puppets in charge who went on to start a war against their own people.

If by “Putin could end the war” you mean he could surrender, sure. So can Zelensky. Why doesn’t he? Russia has placed a peace offer on the table. Repeatedly in fact. In 2014 and 2015. In 2021 and 2022. And again just a week or so ago. Zelensky and his western handlers could end the war they started at any moment.

Sure, Putin could surrender, just like i could jump off of a balcony, but why would or should he? He’s winning. He has huge popular support. This conflict is viewed in Russia as vital to Russia’s national interests. Nothing has changed about the reasons why Russia made the decision to intervene in 2022. If anything they have only become more convinced of the correctness and the necessity of their decision.

If Putin tried to unilaterally make a decision that would so clearly compromise Russia’s vital interests nearly the entire Russian state apparatus and much of society would view him as a traitor, and rightfully so. He would most likely be ousted and replaced by a hardliner who was more willing to finish the job.

Same reason in fact why Zelensky can’t surrender, by the way, only in his case he won’t just get ousted, the Nazis will probably kill him. Like they did to their own negotiator who was trying to work out a deal with the Russians in Istanbul.

And why is it that you never stop to think about what would happen next if Russia suddenly pulled out of territories that are now constitutionally a part of Russia and where millions of people live who consider themselves Russian and have taken Russian citizenship? Do you know what Ukrainian Nazis do to those people who they see as traitors? Do you know what their plan is for the ethnic Russian population of Donbass which dared to rebel and fight back against the Maidan regime for eight years?

Have you seen what happened last year when Armenia stopped being willing or able to defend Nagorno Karabakh? Why would any leader (at least one who isn’t on the payroll of the West) allow that to happen to their people?

And do you think Nazi Ukraine would stop at 2022 borders? Or do you think they would be emboldened and press further to take Crimea as well and whatever other Russian territory their deranged revisionist “history” tells them ought to be theirs?

Why should Russia roll over and allow itself to be dismantled? Why should they let NATO take over Crimea and zone them out of the Black Sea? You’d have to be monumentally stupid or a traitor to allow that, and any country in the same position would go to whatever lengths necessary to ensure that didn’t happen.

a conservative ploy to establish an authoritarian kleptocracy

Not sure why you always have to specify “conservative”. Would it be better if it was liberals doing it?

And “authoritarian kleptocracy”? How much liberal media have you been consuming? They always love using these terms when refering to Russia but they never actually explain why Russia’s capitalism is so much worse than the West’s. Don’t western states have police that they use to crack down on serious dissent? (Have you not been paying attention to the Palestine protests?) Don’t their capitalists bribe the government and steal from the working class?

This isn’t “authoritarian kleptocracy” (or whatever other newspeak liberal media comes up with next so they don’t have to reveal their orientalism/chauvinism and just say what they mean which is “eastern barbarism”). It’s just capitalism doing what capitalism always does.

The communist/socialist parties in Georgia are part of the opposition groups

So “communists” are aligned with western backed and funded opposition groups? That’s kind of sus don’t you think? I mean come on, it’s gotta raise some red flags for you about what kind of “socialist parties” these are that associate with liberal NGOs and participate in color revolution attempts.

He’s just emulating countries like Hungary, turkey, and India, who are utilizing geopolitical schisms to consolidate authoritarian regimes

Again with this word “authoritarian”. Funny how it’s always used against governments the West doesn’t like. It’s a very unserious word used by unserious people.

Now, the undoubtedly reactionary nature of these governments aside, isn’t it objectively a good thing that they are behaving that way? That they are undermining the western hegemonistic order for their own selfish interests? Hungary for instance has been a real thorn in the side of the pro-Ukraine warmongers in the EU and NATO. As much as i hate Orban, it’s been frankly pretty entertaining to watch. Don’t you want dissent and disunity in the imperialist camp? I certainly do.

He has a long established history of supporting whatever side further empowers his grip over Georgian politics and economics.

And currently the West doesn’t seem to be offering that support. They seem to be doing the opposite by organizing protests aimed at toppling the government.

However, he ultimately is a reactionary puppeteer who always lands on the side that lets him keep his grip on Georgian politics.

Well yeah, who wouldn’t in that position? And so why exactly wouldn’t such a person choose to realign back towards Russia, or at the very least hedge their bets and try to play both sides, considering that the West has been orchestrating protests and riots aimed at overthrowing this government and Russia has not? This is pretty elementary stuff.

Once a puppet outlives their usefulness for the US they usually discard and replace them. If that puppet is smart and has any self-preservation instinct they will see it coming and know when it’s time to switch sides.

The fact that such a switch is even possible is what’s interesting here. Twenty years ago the US was the only game in town. Now no longer.

the only governments outside of China that just so happen to be “reorienting” their geopolitical alignments are led by authoritarian conservative governments

You keep using this word “authoritarian”. How are these countries any different from the average western capitalist country? What exactly is so much more “authoritarian” about them?