Literal millions. Holy fucking shit, do you not remember the Chechnyan wars? Syria? The war in fucking Ukraine?
Yeah that’s a few hundred thousand tops, not at all millions. Also, since you brought up Ukraine: Russia has been in post-2014 Ukraine (so excluding territory they occupied in 2014) for three years and counting, while America steamrolled the Iraqi government in less than three weeks. It’s actually possible to resist weaker imperialist countries, but there’s nothing a country can do when the US knocks on their door except acquiesce or perish.
Let’s see, we’ve got Sudan, Syria, and Ukraine. So that’s three at minimum.
How many has the US funded in the past 30 years? Israel’s?
Fair enough.
You fucking think that in the post-9/11 fury we would have given two shits if Europe (checks notes) objected slightly louder than they already did?
Given Europe’s reaction to refugee crises in the Middle East (including, you know, calling them crises) I’d expect a bit more than objecting slightly louder. As MAGAt are about to find out, the relationship between Europe and America goes both ways. If Europe had threatened to impose economic punishments on America, or hell even just stop buying US weapons like they’re doing right now, even Bush would’ve had to think twice.
Yeah that’s a few hundred thousand tops, not at all millions.
Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian Civil War, by various war monitors, range between 580,000 as of May 2021,[1] and approximately 656,493 as of March 2025.
The Chechen separatist sources in 2003 cited figures of some 250,000 civilians, and up to 50,000 Russian servicemen, killed during the 1994-2003 period. The rebel side also acknowledged about 5,000 separatist combatants killed as of 1999–2004, mostly in the initial phases of the war.
According to a report published by Le Monde in November 2024, the war may have killed over 150,000 civilians through the combined tolls of bombardments, massacres, starvation and disease.[247] A November 2024 report from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine estimated more than 61,000 deaths in Khartoum State alone, for the period between April 2023 and June 2024.[265]
Russia in the still-ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War:
198,000 killed, 550,000+ wounded
Ukraine:
50,000 killed,[135] 380,000 wounded
And that’s only for the ones they’ve been directly involved in, as mentioned, there are plenty of brutal civil wars and dictatorships Russia maintains support for a la the US and Israel.
Also, since you brought up Ukraine: Russia has been in post-2014 Ukraine (so excluding territory they occupied in 2014) for three years and counting, while America steamrolled the Iraqi government in less than three weeks. It’s actually possible to resist weaker imperialist countries, but there’s nothing a country can do when the US knocks on their door except acquiesce or perish.
Okay, so now that we’ve cut ties with Europe, how would that reduction in diplomatic power, which we have established as the only meaningful reduction in ‘imperial’ capabilities resulting from going full fascist, have reduced our war-waging capabilities in Iraq?
Go ahead. I’m very interested in seeing this analysis of how a hollowed-out pariah state up against the foremost military power in the world is comparable to a rotted military a third of its size up against a country materially backed by the entirety of the West.
Given Europe’s reaction to refugee crises in the Middle East (including, you know, calling them crises) I’d expect a bit more than objecting slightly louder. As MAGAt are about to find out, the relationship between Europe and America goes both ways. If Europe had threatened to impose economic punishments on America, or hell even just stop buying US weapons like they’re doing right now, even Bush would’ve had to think twice.
Bush would’ve had to think twice because, despite being an imperialist fuckwad, he wasn’t an out and out fascist with total control over his own party, likewise compromised of fascists.
And that’s only for the ones they’ve been directly involved in, as mentioned, there are plenty of brutal civil wars and dictatorships Russia maintains support for a la the US and Israel.
You’re going beyond the 20 year cutoff but either way that’s still less than half the US total in the same time period.
Go ahead. I’m very interested in seeing this analysis of how a hollowed-out pariah state up against the foremost military power in the world is comparable to a rotted military a third of its size up against a country materially backed by the entirety of the West.
Iraq was a hollowed out pariah state in part because of Europe following the American position. Also like I said, a strong European response would’ve lowered the scale of the war, if not outright avoided it. And since we’re talking about Iraq,
During the 1990s and 2000s, many surveys and studies found child mortality more than doubled during the sanctions,[8][9][10] with estimates ranging from 227,000[11] to 500,000[12] excess deaths among children under the age of 5.
That’s a quarter to half a million deaths in one country caused solely by American diplomatic and economic clout.
Bush would’ve had to think twice because, despite being an imperialist fuckwad, he wasn’t an out and out fascist with total control over his own party, likewise compromised of fascists.
Trump has total control over his party, but he still has people he needs to appease—including the military-industrial complex. I can’t tell you what will result from the inevitable conflict between Trump and the oligarchy, but it’s not going to be good for Trump’s regime.
You’re going beyond the 20 year cutoff but either way that’s still less than half the US total in the same time period.
… how the fuck so
Casualties for the entirety of the ‘War On Terror’, including seriously wounded (and including part of the period, likewise, ‘beyond the 20 year cutoff’), usually hover around 1.5 million.
If we’re counting indirect deaths, then we have a lot of ‘fun’ things we can add to Russia’s list.
Iraq was a hollowed out pariah state in part because of Europe following the American position.
… yes, because Iraq definitely wasn’t a hollowed-out pariah state following the Iran-Iraq War, and certainly not following their widely condemned invasion which led to the First Gulf War. If it wasn’t for America, Iraq would’ve been enjoying the full fruits of international cooperation just like it did before.
Also like I said, a strong European response would’ve lowered the scale of the war, if not outright avoided it.
How the fuck so? By your own admission, it was over in three weeks. If Europe had completely embargo’d the US, it still wouldn’t have changed opinions inside of three weeks.
That’s a quarter to half a million deaths in one country caused solely by American diplomatic and economic clout.
First you’re in support of sanctions on aggressive hypermilitarized genocidal states, now in opposition because of the human cost of sanctions.
Great. Glad we’re dealing with such a principled and consistent stance.
Trump has total control over his party, but he still has people he needs to appease—including the military-industrial complex.
Yeah that’s a few hundred thousand tops, not at all millions. Also, since you brought up Ukraine: Russia has been in post-2014 Ukraine (so excluding territory they occupied in 2014) for three years and counting, while America steamrolled the Iraqi government in less than three weeks. It’s actually possible to resist weaker imperialist countries, but there’s nothing a country can do when the US knocks on their door except acquiesce or perish.
Fair enough.
Given Europe’s reaction to refugee crises in the Middle East (including, you know, calling them crises) I’d expect a bit more than objecting slightly louder. As MAGAt are about to find out, the relationship between Europe and America goes both ways. If Europe had threatened to impose economic punishments on America, or hell even just stop buying US weapons like they’re doing right now, even Bush would’ve had to think twice.
Russia in the still-ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War:
Ukraine:
And that’s only for the ones they’ve been directly involved in, as mentioned, there are plenty of brutal civil wars and dictatorships Russia maintains support for a la the US and Israel.
Okay, so now that we’ve cut ties with Europe, how would that reduction in diplomatic power, which we have established as the only meaningful reduction in ‘imperial’ capabilities resulting from going full fascist, have reduced our war-waging capabilities in Iraq?
Go ahead. I’m very interested in seeing this analysis of how a hollowed-out pariah state up against the foremost military power in the world is comparable to a rotted military a third of its size up against a country materially backed by the entirety of the West.
Bush would’ve had to think twice because, despite being an imperialist fuckwad, he wasn’t an out and out fascist with total control over his own party, likewise compromised of fascists.
You’re going beyond the 20 year cutoff but either way that’s still less than half the US total in the same time period.
Iraq was a hollowed out pariah state in part because of Europe following the American position. Also like I said, a strong European response would’ve lowered the scale of the war, if not outright avoided it. And since we’re talking about Iraq,
-Wikipedia
That’s a quarter to half a million deaths in one country caused solely by American diplomatic and economic clout.
Trump has total control over his party, but he still has people he needs to appease—including the military-industrial complex. I can’t tell you what will result from the inevitable conflict between Trump and the oligarchy, but it’s not going to be good for Trump’s regime.
… how the fuck so
Casualties for the entirety of the ‘War On Terror’, including seriously wounded (and including part of the period, likewise, ‘beyond the 20 year cutoff’), usually hover around 1.5 million.
If we’re counting indirect deaths, then we have a lot of ‘fun’ things we can add to Russia’s list.
… yes, because Iraq definitely wasn’t a hollowed-out pariah state following the Iran-Iraq War, and certainly not following their widely condemned invasion which led to the First Gulf War. If it wasn’t for America, Iraq would’ve been enjoying the full fruits of international cooperation just like it did before.
How the fuck so? By your own admission, it was over in three weeks. If Europe had completely embargo’d the US, it still wouldn’t have changed opinions inside of three weeks.
First you’re in support of sanctions on aggressive hypermilitarized genocidal states, now in opposition because of the human cost of sanctions.
Great. Glad we’re dealing with such a principled and consistent stance.
Fucking lol.