Top Trump official Stephen Miller’s recent declaration that anyone who “preaches hate for America” will face deportation has ignited alarm online, with critics warning the statement disregards First Amendment protections.

Social media users and legal analysts raised immediate concerns, pointing out that expressing dissent or criticism of the government is protected under the First Amendment. Some worried the administration was veering into authoritarian territory.

The backlash has reignited broader debates over the limits of free speech, especially as civil liberties fall under scrutiny. While immigration enforcement remains a core theme of President Donald Trump’s platform, critics are increasingly questioning whether rhetoric like Miller’s is a precursor to more aggressive suppression of dissent.

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    I’m really sick of these fucking Nazis.

    A line has been crossed, especially if you’ve ever taken the oath of enlistment or office.

    It is time to defend our constitution.

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      Don’t worry, we’re promised communism when the US falls into a nightmare fascist surveillance state.

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    The fact that Trump is testing that if this is legal at all is weird. You shouldn’t be able to “deport” a born native person to another country for having an opinion.

    Sure prison in general is not perfect, but wouldn’t you rather be prisoned in the country you are born in and not deported to some country Trump had happened to pick for you?

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      Id rather be deported and cast free as a vagabond than imprisoned period. To be “deported” to the internment camps is terrifying.

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        I don’t think Trump would pick a safe place for you to be deported to because as I seen from some of the statements from the organization and supporters, if they were to deport someone this administration may consider them as some of the worse.

        That’s what I was getting at when I was saying “deported to some country Trump had happened to pick for you.” So even if you know of places that might be safe places to get deported to, that doesn’t mean that’s where the Trump Administration might deport someone.

        Someone should take this stance to the supreme court or to a judge because this just screams obviously, as a 1st amendment violation since it is coming directly from the government, rather then strictly from private a social media platform.

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      Imagine if everyone just donated $10. We could fund our own think tank one that actually does the research, develops strategy, identifies pressure points, crafts effective slogans, and figures out how to organize and target key demographics for real impact.

      I’m tired of the usual approach where people are randomly called to show up and yell. It’s not working. Meanwhile, our opponents are using think tanks to play the long game and win. We’re playing checkers while they’re playing chess.

      We need to face the facts: they’re outmaneuvering us. If we want to stand a chance, we have to stop reacting and start adapting, using some of the same strategic tools, but with our own values and purpose.

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        They have so much money that they can easily corrupt those initiatives that’s why it’s hard

        They can even buy the president

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    Not American but I hate the USA’s current administration. I am neither ashamed nor scared to say this. I presume this would be labeled as hate since I can’t see why their definition of “hate” wouldn’t be incredibly vague so as to hurt as many people as possible.

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    To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -Theodore Roosevelt

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      They ARE traitors. Russian-backed, Nazi-seig-heil throwing traitors. They aren’t joking about wanting to jail liberals. They 100% mean it.

      They’ve been prepped to be fine with it since they started calling “liberalism a mental disorder.”

      Straight Russian propaganda. The Kremlin wants to stamp out western liberal democracy. MAGA’s the push to destroy America

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        Why have the billionaires not prevented it? Project 2025 was known. Billionaires will lose huge parts of their wealth when the USA collapses and Russia or China take over.

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          Billionaires are not our allies. And some of them are genuinely stupid enough to have thought they could contain what was going on that it was just gonna be more tax cuts for them. They, like the public, didn’t all actually believe it would be true. They are not inherently smarter or more immune to propaganda than we are.

          They just have more access to information - if they don’t surround themselves with people that are only yes men and such.

          Other billionaires are betting on the collapse, and are willing to take less monetary power, to have more literal power if they can create their own city states. Literally what they’re hoping for.

          They are short sighted, stupid, arrogant, heartless… and, many, traitors.

          Some need to be made an example of.

          But we accept those who ask for forgiveness. I’m not saying to actually forgive them. Or to re-establish normal lives with them. Other people can do that work.

          But they do have to have SOME kind of off-ramp, or you might as well be making the same arguments that MAGA are when they claim “liberalism is a mental illness and should be jailed.”

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          Billionaires will be absolutely fine if they never make another penny and even if they lose 99% of their money in some stock market complete and final death. Millionaires are worried, but they aren’t the ones with the real power.

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            It’s not the same. Why should they give up their power without a fight? They must believe that they at least maintain their power and wealth.

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              Yes. They do. And they’re right. They’ll be fine. Billionaires will be absolutely fine. The stock market crash doesn’t worry them. Not even a little bit.

              They’re still incomprehensibly richer than millionaires in the same way that someone with an office job, a flat, a TV, games console and a car who goes out to eat on the regular is incomprehensibly richer than someone who lives under a piece of sheet metal next to a rubbish tip and scavenges for food.

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                Yet when the office worker is informed that his car is going to burn down or somebody will come into his house and smash his TV, he will take action.

                Billionaires identify with their property. They won’t simply accept that it melts down.

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                  But billionaires are so desperately unlike the office worker. You know, how if someone took your penny, you wouldn’t worry. And in fact they could take a penny from you every day for three years and now you’re down a whole ten dollars but it just simply isn’t an issue. You know that a thousand times as much as you’ve lost will be turning up in the next few months. That’s how billionaires relate to a million dollars. A million. It’ll show up for them in the next month or two. They’re not worried. Why would they worry about money? You don’t worry about pennies, they don’t worry about millions. Stop thinking that billionaires worry about money.

                  Now if the entire global capitalist system were to completely crumble, then that’s an issue, but that’s absolutely not what’s happening. Billionaires are almost incomprehensibly wealthy and a crash of 10% just doesn’t matter. At all. There are other countries than the USA and they’ll absolutely leave if necessary. They spend plenty of time in their overseas properties anyway for tax purposes. Borders are for ordinary people.

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          cause they didnt think it would fail.

          They thought they’d buy the country for pennies on the dollar and carve it up into their own little capitalist nightmare fiefdoms.

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            This can’t be the plan. Only land with sea ports would be acceptable in that situation. Every other fiefdom would be taxed by their neighbors into poverty unless they unite again.

            For sure there are stupid billionaires but the top 100 won’t follow a plan that can be rebuked easily.

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              Vast swathes of the USA is accessible by navigable river ever since the Louisiana purchase. It’s one of the three main original reasons the USA was so powerful economically before Trump.

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                This only works if the rivers aren’t taxed. How could anybody trust that that doesn’t happen? That’s why I specified sea ports.

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                  because you enter an economic cold war, very much like trump is doing right now with china, where the port people demand taxes, and the middle america people just embargo them and don’t give them any food/minerals/etc.

                  and you see how much they are loving that happening right now.

                  They don’t want to fuck eachother. They just want to fuck you and me.

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      Ok, but what about critics of the zio regime? Both “parties” agree that they should be kidnapped and encaged, right?

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        Nope. Jailing anyone without due process/etc is un American. We talked before.

        We are on the same side. If you’re not a bad actor, I encourage you to take a more constructive approach to this discussion.

        When Hamas very first attacked, I was on Israel’s side. Not everyone is as educated on Israel’s influence on our politics/etc. (fuck Israel. They can figure shit out on their own. I don’t want to fund genocide. Period.)

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        Zionist Democrats want to fine you and repress you in financial ways. They want to “tut tut” you for being anti-Semitic.

        Zionist Republicans want to put you (and immigrants, and LGBT, and dissenters) in a death camp.

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          And the death camp is only a formality. If they thought they could get away with it, they’d have the police gun you down in the street and start issuing death warrants.

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    Wow, what a dumb thing to claim when you have surrounded yourself with “free speech absolutists”. They are going to lose it on him, right? …. Right?

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      We really are deep into dear leader territory with the cabinet spending an hour jerking the president off instead of fixing the economy he drove off a cliff.

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        The whole party is a cult now. I got banned from the conservative subreddit just for asking - as a conservative myself - what conservative values they think a criminal like him is embodying. What exactly is he conserving? This man has cheated on all of his wives, is a racist, extremely egotistical, etc. He’s closer to the Antichrist than the second coming of Christ. His entire admin is just birds of a feather.

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          This is part of the issue.

          That is the conservative platform and has been for as long as I’ve been alive, he is accurately representing them hence the lack of pushback.

          That said yes he’s so very close to the anti Christ’s description it’s not even funny.

          I don’t know you and I don’t want to judge or tell you what you are or sound like but from that description you’re more left of center then right.

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            It’s funny because “true conservatives” usually mean they are fiscally conservatives and if we look at Canada the most fiscally conservatives governments (i.e. the ones that ran the least deficits whole in power) are the ones on the left side of the political spectrum.

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              That tends to be the case in many countries because the left are under so much scrutiny they have to be very careful with budgets. The right, on the other hand, are given a pass to do all kinds of irresponsible things because they are assumed to be “fiscally responsible” and their supporters only want to hear them say “tax cut” a few times and they’re satisfied.

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                That and social programs are actually cost effective. Give access to education to people, they end up with better jobs and repay the investment via taxes. Give them access to healthcare, they can keep working instead of being disabled for life because they couldn’t get treatments. House them, they can find work.

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                  For all their professed know-how with money, conservatives have never understood the idea of investing in society for a long-term return. They’re always very short-sighted.

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              currently conservatives, in most govt around the world, is mostly Right wing or ALT-RIGHT now.

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            I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative - though of course there were extremist fringes. But Trump sparked a sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism, which validated and legitimized those fringes, making them mainstream. Now, that ideology is the de facto face of conservatism. It’s depressing. I’ve considered myself a conservative Democrat since the 2015-2016 election cycle.

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              You’re not wrong about “conservatism” undergoing a rapid metamorphosis in the past decade, but it was only possible in the first place because republicans put party before principle, and they’ve been doing that for a long time.

              In the Bush era, how many times did the “party of small government” tell you it needed to restrict abortion, regulate marriage rights, wage a war on drugs, and expand the surveillance state? There was no rhyme or reason to any of it other than culture wars and security theater, and it certainly wasn’t part of some coherent conservative ideology.

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              sudden transition to extreme nationalist populism,

              White nationalists terrorists down to like McVey were all conservatives for reason and it isn’t love and inclusion.

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              I don’t know. Before Trump, the conservative platform was actually conservative

              No it wasn’t. Not since at least Eisenhower.

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              its because OBAMA broke thier minds, they couldnt handle a half-black, muslim was the POTUS.

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            The DINOS are in on it, but they cant come against the gop, for fear of getting primaried. we know for a while manchin and sinema are just 2 of the many Dinos in the senate, hence also the reason of the lack of pushback.

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          The conservative value he’s embodying is authoritarianism. That’s it; that’s what conservatism has always been ever since Burke and DeMaistre, who were literally monarchists, invented the concept.

          I’m sorry that you got sold a lie, but what you thought conservatism was was never correct.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CI2vk3ugk

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          People today don’t know what conservatism is about. It is definitely left of today’s far right Republican party.

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        emulating russia, almost as if trump is getting his suggestions from putin, if not directly.

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      It can also mean disapproval of genocide, or having the wrong skin color, or speaking Spanish, or being gay or trans, or saying it’s OK to be gay or trans. Basically it means doing anything Nazis don’t like.

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    If America wants people to stop hating, maybe instead of trying to wipe it’s ass with the first amendment, it should stop cultivating hate with it’s actions.

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      If America wants people to stop hating

      What makes you think that is on the agenda? Hate is their specialty. A divided people are no threat to the oligarchy. Hate for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

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      Hate has been actively cultivated online through various psyop campaigns over the years. It may have started offline but it skyrocketed with the growth of the internet to specifically destabilize the US.