• SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
    3721·
    6 days ago

    Remember that the admins of the Tankie Triad regularly post and brigade threads pushing their invalid ideology on other instances.

    And they have a dozen or so alts ready to downvote dissent.

    Tankies literally have to manipulate social media so people pay attention to them and control narratives or else they get laughed out of every room they enter.

    • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
      41·
      5 days ago

      The first time I had ever heard of the word “tankie” was on Lemmy. It’s just not a thing that about anybody I know offline is, or has heard of. So I don’t understand the obsession with them. Even if they’re doing every evil thing claimed, it’s a) the metaphorical tempest in a teapot, and b) not even working, based on the number of people here who seem to make hating on tankies part of their identity.

    • Binette@lemmy.ml
      126·
      6 days ago

      Hexbear is the one that mostly ““brigades””.

      The only reason this happens is because they can’t downvote. So they comment instead.

        • Binette@lemmy.ml
          124·
          6 days ago

          Correct me if I’m wrong, but I rarely see any mass comments from people in ml. In political topics, it’s mostly barely a handfull of the same users. Plus, political topics often get pushed to the front pages, so it’s not unlikely that the users see it themselves, whether or not Davel posted the thread in question.

          • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world
            78·
            6 days ago

            He’s the one I see pushing shit mostly, him and Cowbee.

            I haven’t seen them posting their garbage recently tho. They’ve cut down in the last couple weeks.

            I’m sure they’re just using alts now.

            • electric_nan@lemmy.ml
              102·
              5 days ago

              How can you have a problem with Cowbee? They are the most well-read and patient poster that I see on Lemmy. I can understand disagreeing, but saying Cowbee is “pushing shit” isn’t accurate.

              • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
                82·
                5 days ago

                Hey, found this comment from searching my name (I’ll fully admit that I do so from time to time, out of morbid curiosity). I’ll clarify 2 things:

                1. I only have 2 accounts. @[email protected] and @[email protected]. I swap between them, but take care to never mix upvotes (I keep my Hexbear upvotes pretty purely on comms on Hexbear and Grad, and use Lemmy.ml for everything else). I am an admin on neither, I only moderate Hexbear.net’s c/theory, and only to pin and unpin the weekly Capital and Super-Imperialism reading threads. I have never removed a post or comment, nor have I banned anyone, ever.

                2. I do push Marxism-Leninism. I’m a Marxist-Leninist, I don’t attempt to hide that. My goal is to create more comrades and to develop a more “correct line” among comrades on Lemmy. That’s the big purpose of my Lemmy.ml account in general, my Hexbear.net account is more for relaxing, talking about video games, or following the news. Helps me compartmentalize. I wouldn’t call it pushing shit, but I do push Marxism-Leninism, and do so openly.

                I can also address @[email protected]’s claims. The “alt” they can’t see me on is my Hexbear.net alt. I cannot mass downvote them with it even if I wanted to both because we cannot downvote on Hexbear, and because I can’t even see Lemmy.world accounts from Hexbear. I also don’t upvote myself, that takes too much effort and I only care about upvote/downvote ratios so far as it helps me gauge the effectiveness of my argumentation, so that would get in the way of that.

                I cannot verify that others are not using alts to up or downvote comments, but at the same time I don’t think anyone can verify that the reverse is true, either, except perhaps admins looking at up and downvote history. SoftestSapphic has already accused several other accounts that in no-way speak like me of being alts of mine, without any proof.

                What this means is that SoftestSapphic has nothing more than a gut feeling asserted as an unchallengable truth, the idea that the “tankies” are using deceptive measures to manipulate public opinion. Moreover, said user regularly gets banned for general hostility even on non-Lemmy.ml communities, just check their modlog. No proof is ever offered for their claims, but they will certainly parade their theories around in an attempt to discredit me, which is why I am even responding to this character assassination in the first place.

                Sometimes SoftestSapphic is 100% correct, and I’ll frequently upvote them when they are. Calling out the ineffectiveness of Leftists trying to work with the Democrat Party in the US, rather than build up our own working class parties and orgs, is undeniably correct in my opinion. Fascists should be opposed violently as well. I also like this comment, for example, going over the ineffectiveness and disillusionment with voting in the US Electoral System, especially because the system itself is the target, not the whims of individuals subject to it. This is good Materialist analysis! The issues start to arise, in my view, when they lose sight of Materialist grounding and resort to gut feeling and what I would consider conspiracy theories.

                This form of “Left-dogmatism” has been a long-running problem within the Marxist current (no idea what SoftestSapphic personally ascribes to, just speaking from what I am familiar with), and has manifested in movements like the Peruvian Shining Path under Gonzalo, which focused more on assassinations than building a legitimate and inclusive party, accomplishing little more than terrorism. When you abandon consistent materialist analysis, you run into errors in judgement that do more harm than good. Mao summarizes this problem quite concisely in On Practice:

                We are also opposed to “Left” phrase-mongering. The thinking of “Leftists” outstrips a given stage of development of the objective process; some regard their fantasies as truth, while others strain to realize in the present an ideal which can only be realized in the future. They alienate themselves from the current practice of the majority of the people and from the realities of the day, and show themselves adventurist in their actions.

                SoftestSapphic, if you’re reading this, I do think you have a promising future as a good Leftist. You have a very strong will, and your heart appears to be in the right place. I recommend you make it an effort to focus on theory and materialist analysis right now, perhaps join an org if you aren’t in one. On the off-chance you decide to take my advice, I can recommend theory for you if you let me know what you’ve already read, or answer questions you may have about Marxism-Leninism. Or, you can just check out the introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list I made, it even has audiobook equivalents if that’s your preference.

                Hope that answers everything!

        • Rhoeri@lemmy.worldEnglish
          43·
          5 days ago

          He’s a .ml admin. The .ml mods are useless flaccid knobs. They don’t do shit. Check the modlogs. Almost all of .ml actions are done by the two butthurt clowns that run .ml.

          They really have no need at all for moderators.

    • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
      32·
      5 days ago

      Tankie Triad

      Are tankies the pro- or anti-fascist crowd? I thought they were far left whereas fascists far right. It’s hard to keep track of all these vying affiliations.

        • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          82·
          5 days ago

          Semantics is literal meaning, though. Words mean things.

          I’m sure there are many words for left-wing authoritarians: fascist isn’t it. Instead of making fascism meaningless, can we pick a correct word? Maybe authoritarian?

          With all the fascism denounced around here, they’re a rarity, and it’s perplexing to know what say to the far more common left-wing authoritarians who argue against democratic values because they’re not left enough.

          • peregrin5@lemm.eeEnglish
            16·
            5 days ago

            Horseshoe theory is real. Right wing and left wing fascists are both fascists.

            • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              11·
              5 days ago

              Horseshoe theory

              the far-left and the far-right are closer to each other than either is to the political center

              are both fascists

              Are closer doesn’t mean are the same: horseshoe theory doesn’t support your claim.

              They’re both authoritarians that repress human rights. They’re as bad as fascists. Identifying those elements that make them as bad—authoritarianism & repression of human rights—clarifies discussion.

              When we articulate problems accurately, we can criticize them in all guises.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      2423·
      6 days ago

      Have you considered that there’s just plenty of people who disagree with you?

      Also, you lot suck at coming up with names, tankie troika is way more ominous