isn’t about being “better or worse,” its because the purpose is different. China wants customers, Finland wants cheap labor.
I was just saying that both are the same they’re both as good or bad. When both are buying manufacturing then both are wanting cheap labour. Not much other reason to oursource manufacturing. Whether you think such outsourcing is bad as a rule is up to you.
Check the sources. The fact that you think they are both doing the same thing means you haven’t read the sources legitimately. I provided many, so you can take your pick, but if you’re going to continue to make false claims and refuse to engage with the sources I provided, then there’s nowhere for this conversation to go.
If there honestly are comparisons of contracts of Finnish companies and Chinese companies for outsourced manufacturing then I’m just not seeing it. What source(s) have it?
Sadly seems like the video is gone now, since I last watched it. Nevertheless, the other sources offer more than enough evidence to the entirely different character of Western Aid vs Chinese Aid. The book Super-Imperialism is also useful for understanding how Western countries are Imperialist, though it says little about China as the focus is the US, and to a lesser extent, the EU.
The short summary is that Western Loans require participating countries to give up sovereignty over their national resources and industry through directed clauses in loans, increasing dependence on Western Loans and underdevelopment in the long run. Chinese loans do not come with such directed clauses, and with Chinese involvement comes dramatic infrastructural improvements, generally increasing autonomy.
When you boil it down to “they both trade,” you equalize very different investment practices and erase the results.
It seems you’re talking about “Western countries” as a unit and not specifically about Finland, which was the topic of the discussion. It would be a lot more fruitful to directly compare the two when the discussion is about the two.
There aren’t going to be many sources in general specifically comparing Finland to China. I included sources in the beginning about the role the Nordics play in Western Imperialism. It’s important to understand that the Western countries all are generally a part of the same Imperialist organization, spearheaded by the US, supported by its hundreds of millitary bases worldwide and unilateral control of institutions like the IMF.
Finland in particular is not the mastermind behind Western Imperialism, but it gladly accepts the presense of it and enjoys the spoils, a portion of which it uses to bribe its Proletariat against revolution with good safety nets and social services.
All of the backing for this is in the sources I have provided.
A comparison doesn’t necessarily need sources comparing the two but sources about what sort of contracts and deals companies from both countries have made. Without that you can’t really compare the two tbh.
It’s important to understand that the Western countries all are generally a part of the same Imperialist organization, spearheaded by the US, supported by its hundreds of millitary bases worldwide and unilateral control of institutions like the IMF.
China is member of the IMF too. I feel like China might have a bit more say over IMF than Finland does tbh.
Finland in particular is not the mastermind behind Western Imperialism, but it gladly accepts the presense of it and enjoys the spoils, a portion of which it uses to bribe its Proletariat against revolution with good safety nets and social services.
So are we guilty from benefiting of it even if you can’t really point to something we are actually doing that’s worse than what China is doing? I was hoping to hear from some actual practises and concrete actions from both painting Finland in bad light but it sounds more like guilt by association situation.
I didn’t see any comparison of such contracts.
I was just saying that both are the same they’re both as good or bad. When both are buying manufacturing then both are wanting cheap labour. Not much other reason to oursource manufacturing. Whether you think such outsourcing is bad as a rule is up to you.
Check the sources. The fact that you think they are both doing the same thing means you haven’t read the sources legitimately. I provided many, so you can take your pick, but if you’re going to continue to make false claims and refuse to engage with the sources I provided, then there’s nowhere for this conversation to go.
If there honestly are comparisons of contracts of Finnish companies and Chinese companies for outsourced manufacturing then I’m just not seeing it. What source(s) have it?
Yanis talks about some of the differences, for the final time, check out the sources.
You mean this source?
Sadly seems like the video is gone now, since I last watched it. Nevertheless, the other sources offer more than enough evidence to the entirely different character of Western Aid vs Chinese Aid. The book Super-Imperialism is also useful for understanding how Western countries are Imperialist, though it says little about China as the focus is the US, and to a lesser extent, the EU.
The short summary is that Western Loans require participating countries to give up sovereignty over their national resources and industry through directed clauses in loans, increasing dependence on Western Loans and underdevelopment in the long run. Chinese loans do not come with such directed clauses, and with Chinese involvement comes dramatic infrastructural improvements, generally increasing autonomy.
When you boil it down to “they both trade,” you equalize very different investment practices and erase the results.
It seems you’re talking about “Western countries” as a unit and not specifically about Finland, which was the topic of the discussion. It would be a lot more fruitful to directly compare the two when the discussion is about the two.
There aren’t going to be many sources in general specifically comparing Finland to China. I included sources in the beginning about the role the Nordics play in Western Imperialism. It’s important to understand that the Western countries all are generally a part of the same Imperialist organization, spearheaded by the US, supported by its hundreds of millitary bases worldwide and unilateral control of institutions like the IMF.
Finland in particular is not the mastermind behind Western Imperialism, but it gladly accepts the presense of it and enjoys the spoils, a portion of which it uses to bribe its Proletariat against revolution with good safety nets and social services.
All of the backing for this is in the sources I have provided.
A comparison doesn’t necessarily need sources comparing the two but sources about what sort of contracts and deals companies from both countries have made. Without that you can’t really compare the two tbh.
China is member of the IMF too. I feel like China might have a bit more say over IMF than Finland does tbh.
So are we guilty from benefiting of it even if you can’t really point to something we are actually doing that’s worse than what China is doing? I was hoping to hear from some actual practises and concrete actions from both painting Finland in bad light but it sounds more like guilt by association situation.