Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
i assume you mean “the good borg queen” i dint like picard that much, ironically that story was lifted from the fan novels, where it had a “borg” cooperative alliance, after the QUEEN in endgame died. kurtzman lifted from those NOVELS so much, it was so cringe and obvious. i was curious of the Lore one time so i visited thier non-canon wiki pages of star trek.
Georgiou was responsible for rendering Qo’noS uninhabitable, and, together with Sylvia Tilly, she subjugated the Betazoids and wiped out Mintaka III. (DIS: “Will You Take My Hand?”) She bombarded the Talosians in retaliation for trying to deceive her with their psychic illusions. (DIS: “If Memory Serves”)
In an real world where fascism is on the march, I’m sorry, I just don’t have any patience for offering fictional fascists a redemption arc. We’re talking about a character that is canonically responsible for acts of mass genocide. She’s so comically evil that she literally ate sentient intelligent beings. She’s Space Hitler, the Empress of the cartoonishly evil Terran Empire, an empire conceptually modeled directly off of Nazi Germany. She’s literally Space Hitler.
Every time I see her on screen, my first thought is always, “wait a minute. The Federation is supposed to stand for rights and justice. Why the hell isn’t this character being hauled off to whatever the Federation’s equivalent of the Hague is? Why isn’t she being escorted to the airlock to be vented into space? Does no one care what this monster did? Do they think that just because it happened in the Mirror Universe, it’s morally acceptable? One universe or another, she still committed genocide!”
They just let her join the team, and no one seems to be bothered that they’re just hanging out with literal Space Hitler. It’s just totally immersion breaking. It’s like if the Enterprise crew traveled back in time to WW2 Earth, picked up the literal historical Hitler, and just brought him back and gave him a post on the bridge. And for the rest of the series, Hitler’s just over there manning the comms or something. It’s completely anathema to what the Federation is supposed to stand for. It’s madness. I’m sorry, but I just can’t forgive genocide. You don’t get a redemption arc after doing something like that.
Exactly! Any other faction that wins and takes over the galaxy is still running a dystopia. The Orks, however, would be ruling over a utopia where everyone is happy (on account of being Orks and thrilled to fight one another). The Orks deserve to win from a utilitarian standpoint of maximizing happiness!
Right-wing SW fans make more sense than right-wing Star Trek fans, at least. In SW they can root for the Empire, but ST is a post-scarcity utopia from the ground up.
Right wing Star Trek fans love the Mirror Universe. They’re probably why someone thought it was a brilliant idea in Discovery to give Space Hitler a redemption arc.
right wingers had a problem with 90+% female and LGBTQ+ leads, thats all they were complaining about in STD.
I had zero problem with the cast. But after they decided to give Space Hitler her redemption arc, I just couldn’t take the show seriously anymore.
i assume you mean “the good borg queen” i dint like picard that much, ironically that story was lifted from the fan novels, where it had a “borg” cooperative alliance, after the QUEEN in endgame died. kurtzman lifted from those NOVELS so much, it was so cringe and obvious. i was curious of the Lore one time so i visited thier non-canon wiki pages of star trek.
No I mean Philippa Georgiou. She’s literally Space Hitler.
https://breeze.falconsyndicate.net/memory-alpha/wiki/Philippa_Georgiou_(mirror)
In an real world where fascism is on the march, I’m sorry, I just don’t have any patience for offering fictional fascists a redemption arc. We’re talking about a character that is canonically responsible for acts of mass genocide. She’s so comically evil that she literally ate sentient intelligent beings. She’s Space Hitler, the Empress of the cartoonishly evil Terran Empire, an empire conceptually modeled directly off of Nazi Germany. She’s literally Space Hitler.
Every time I see her on screen, my first thought is always, “wait a minute. The Federation is supposed to stand for rights and justice. Why the hell isn’t this character being hauled off to whatever the Federation’s equivalent of the Hague is? Why isn’t she being escorted to the airlock to be vented into space? Does no one care what this monster did? Do they think that just because it happened in the Mirror Universe, it’s morally acceptable? One universe or another, she still committed genocide!”
They just let her join the team, and no one seems to be bothered that they’re just hanging out with literal Space Hitler. It’s just totally immersion breaking. It’s like if the Enterprise crew traveled back in time to WW2 Earth, picked up the literal historical Hitler, and just brought him back and gave him a post on the bridge. And for the rest of the series, Hitler’s just over there manning the comms or something. It’s completely anathema to what the Federation is supposed to stand for. It’s madness. I’m sorry, but I just can’t forgive genocide. You don’t get a redemption arc after doing something like that.
Considering that Section 31 turned into a perverted circus…
Maybe they should try 40k.
Unfortunately, they very much do.
And they don’t understand who the good guys are in 40k either (it’s no one. Except maybe tyranids acting at an instinctual level)
I mean, chaos have been fighting the injustice of the imperium for a long time
Bullshit, the Orks are working towards increasing average happiness in the galaxy!
I mean, by process of elimination, I guess.
I thought about including orks in there, but they do too many uncool things like trying to fight people who don’t want to fight.
They’re perfectly happy fighting anyone and everyone, including themselves, and just want a good propper fight.
Kind of hard justifying a fight with puppies though…
Exactly! Any other faction that wins and takes over the galaxy is still running a dystopia. The Orks, however, would be ruling over a utopia where everyone is happy (on account of being Orks and thrilled to fight one another). The Orks deserve to win from a utilitarian standpoint of maximizing happiness!
Tau in shambles.
nah, they got mad NU-TREK with thier virtue signalling of WOMEN AND gay leads, which was forced by kurtzman. nutrek literally broke thier minds.