I don’t think people here understand this yet: he doesn’t care. He won’t abide by any court rulings and there’s no one to make him do it. Your system was always broken, and your rights are just a gentleman’s agreement. Now you ran out of gentlemen.
My 6th grade teacher included the judiciary’s lack of ability to enforce their rulings as part of our lesson on checks and balances. That feels like foreshadowing now.
Yeah, in spite of Trump literally being a felon while also being president, people still can’t shake the idea that he’s somehow forced to follow the law. He’s actively ignoring a bunch of judicial orders, but people keep celebrating whenever another is added to the pile. We’re simply unable to understand that when Trump - or any rich person for that matter - gets a sentence that “makes them” do something, they can just… not. And nothing bad will happen to them.
Sorry, I’m a foreigner and I don’t understand much. Someone cares to explain? Should the police normally enforce judicial orders and sentences? Why do they not? Is the police personally loyal to Trump?
Basically, people do what the law enforcement - like police and judges - say because they go to jail for a long time if they don’t. There are plenty of other punishments that aren’t jail, but those are really only enforced with the threat of jail time if you don’t comply, so it all comes back to jail in the end. Nobody’s going to come after Trump to put him in jail because he’s the president, and even before then, he had enough money to make sure nobody came after him anyway.
Nobody but the wealthy know exactly how they get away with their crimes, but I’d imagine some high-ranking members of the police force and probably several other people from other government agencies are willing to look the other way for a bit of cash, which allows the people who have that cash to essentially treat every crime like nothing more than a fine.
It says that one of the primary functions of the US Marshals Service is to carry out judicial orders, but it reports to the president. This looks like a flaw to me.
Yeah, the whole system is meant to work by assuming the president has the country’s best interests in mind and is willing to do what it takes to uphold them. Even when corruption inevitably wormed its way into every level of government, they still like they should pretend to have the country’s best interests in mind just to appease the population, so a lot of good happened even while a lot of bad was going on beneath the surface.
Now we’ve got a president who openly commits crimes and exploits the fact that the people meant to stop him are his subordinates now, and people still support him. It’s essentially proved to all corrupt politicians that they don’t need to hide it anymore, and no longer need to even halfheartedly care about the country’s best interests.
Our whole system that assumes the guy on top will at least feel compelled to “do the right thing” is instead being led by someone who ruins everything seemingly for fun, and he’s setting that example for a bunch of people who are eagerly waiting to be next in line when he finally dies.
I’m not sure, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t use his power as president to dodge it somehow. Or he just ignored it - who’s going to actually come after him over it anyway?
I don’t think people here understand this yet: he doesn’t care. He won’t abide by any court rulings and there’s no one to make him do it. Your system was always broken, and your rights are just a gentleman’s agreement. Now you ran out of gentlemen.
My 6th grade teacher included the judiciary’s lack of ability to enforce their rulings as part of our lesson on checks and balances. That feels like foreshadowing now.
US Marshals is supposed to be that, right? But they don’t seem to take action
Yes but they are very small and not enshrined in the Constitution.
Yeah, in spite of Trump literally being a felon while also being president, people still can’t shake the idea that he’s somehow forced to follow the law. He’s actively ignoring a bunch of judicial orders, but people keep celebrating whenever another is added to the pile. We’re simply unable to understand that when Trump - or any rich person for that matter - gets a sentence that “makes them” do something, they can just… not. And nothing bad will happen to them.
Sorry, I’m a foreigner and I don’t understand much. Someone cares to explain? Should the police normally enforce judicial orders and sentences? Why do they not? Is the police personally loyal to Trump?
Basically, people do what the law enforcement - like police and judges - say because they go to jail for a long time if they don’t. There are plenty of other punishments that aren’t jail, but those are really only enforced with the threat of jail time if you don’t comply, so it all comes back to jail in the end. Nobody’s going to come after Trump to put him in jail because he’s the president, and even before then, he had enough money to make sure nobody came after him anyway.
Nobody but the wealthy know exactly how they get away with their crimes, but I’d imagine some high-ranking members of the police force and probably several other people from other government agencies are willing to look the other way for a bit of cash, which allows the people who have that cash to essentially treat every crime like nothing more than a fine.
Thank you for your insightful reply.
I also found this: https://www.citizensforethics.org/news/analysis/trumps-politicization-of-the-u-s-marshals-service-is-a-threat-to-our-democracy/
It says that one of the primary functions of the US Marshals Service is to carry out judicial orders, but it reports to the president. This looks like a flaw to me.
Yeah, the whole system is meant to work by assuming the president has the country’s best interests in mind and is willing to do what it takes to uphold them. Even when corruption inevitably wormed its way into every level of government, they still like they should pretend to have the country’s best interests in mind just to appease the population, so a lot of good happened even while a lot of bad was going on beneath the surface.
Now we’ve got a president who openly commits crimes and exploits the fact that the people meant to stop him are his subordinates now, and people still support him. It’s essentially proved to all corrupt politicians that they don’t need to hide it anymore, and no longer need to even halfheartedly care about the country’s best interests.
Our whole system that assumes the guy on top will at least feel compelled to “do the right thing” is instead being led by someone who ruins everything seemingly for fun, and he’s setting that example for a bunch of people who are eagerly waiting to be next in line when he finally dies.
Has he paid any of the money he was supposed for the slander/libel/ breaking new York laws or whatever? Or has it just been reduced to nothing.
I’m not sure, but I’d be surprised if he didn’t use his power as president to dodge it somehow. Or he just ignored it - who’s going to actually come after him over it anyway?
Yeah but that’s not exclusive to our system, that’s society in general.