Everybody privately shit-talks everybody. The phone always listens to it and records it. A viral hack that turns all this shit-talking into texts. Everybody in the world suddenly gets a thousand shit-talking texts from their family, friends and associates. Society dissolves.
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Everybody privately shit-talks everybody
That’s not the case 😕
Yes it is.
Perhaps you’re in a not so lovely social bubble?
Perhaps you are in denial.
It only takes one example to refute a universal claim.
Not really.
Oooh, edgy. Few problems:
List of logical fallacies
- Hasty Generalization
“Everybody privately shit-talks everybody.” Assumes a universal truth based on limited or anecdotal experience. Not everyone engages in this behavior
- False Premise
“The phone always listens to it and records it.” This is factually untrue for most users and makes the argument invalid from the start. The conclusion based on this premise (a hack turning that into texts) relies on a false understanding of technology.
- Slippery Slope (Implied)
“A viral hack that turns all this shit-talking into texts.”
Implied assumption: this will definitely go viral and cause massive disruption. It assumes a cascade of dramatic consequences without evidence.
- Appeal to Cynicism
“Everybody privately shit-talks everybody.” Uses an exaggeratedly negative view of human nature as a foundation to justify or normalize antisocial behavior.
- Moral Equivalence
By implying that since everyone does it, exposing it via a viral hack is just revealing the “truth” and therefore not really unethical, it downplays the maliciousness of the hypothetical hack.
Basically, your entire premise is a heap of logical fallacy and edgelord cringe.
I got BINGO! What do I win?
Your criticisms are very weak. Sorry.
Instead of looking for ways to defeat me you should just go with it. For example you could consider what the societal upheaval would look like. How would we recover. What growth would it inspire etc.
I mean, really. What difference to my point would 99% shit-talkers vs 100% make?
Lmao fucking edgelord
What is your problem?
I present a perfectly tasty and chewable bit of speculation and you people just react with… the usual.
Nevermind.
So basically the plot of the South Park troll trace arc in season 20.
community did it too
Hmm. I’m not familiar. I’ll check it out. Thanks.
Your phone isn’t recording you, you’re just more predictable than you think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/01/07/phone-listening-target-ads-iphone-siri/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanpettijohn/2019/09/03/of-course-your-phone-is-listening-to-you/
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/29/is-my-phone-listening-to-me-we-ask-the-expert
Your phone is in fact listening. Thats proven by a whistleblower from apple. But it doesnt need to, youre correct on that point.
proven by a whistleblower from apple
Assuming you have an iPhone. And even then, the whistleblower you’re referencing was part of a team who reviewed utterances by users with the “Hey Siri” wake word feature enabled. If you had Siri disabled entirely or had the wake word feature disabled, you weren’t impacted at all.
This may have been limited to impacting only users who also had some option like “Improve Siri and Dictation” enabled, but it’s not clear. Today, the Privacy Policy explicitly says that Apple can have employees review your interactions with Siri and Dictation (my understanding is the reason for the settlement is that they were not explicit that human review was occurring). I strongly recommend disabling that setting, particularly if you have a wake word enabled.
If you have wake words enabled on your phone or device, your phone has to listen to be able to react to them. At that point, of course the phone is listening. Whether it’s sending the info back somewhere is a different story, and there isn’t any evidence that I’m aware of that any major phone company does this.
Exactly. The interesting part is thats what we know. As has been proven countless times by apple and other huge companies. There is always more sinister shit going on that we dont know. I’m not saying all companies are listening and at all times but they are listening in general and given the politicla climate, we should act as if they are listening at all times.
It was already known before the whistleblower that:
- Siri inputs (all STT at that time, really) were processed off device
- Siri had false activations
The “sinister” thing that we learned was that Apple was reviewing those activations to see if they were false, with the stated intent (as confirmed by the whistleblower) of using them to reduce false activations.
There are also black box methods to verify that data isn’t being sent and that particular hardware (like the microphone) isn’t being used, and there are people who look for vulnerabilities as a hobby. If the microphones on the most/second most popular phone brand (iPhone, Samsung) were secretly recording all the time, evidence of that would be easy to find and would be a huge scoop - why haven’t we heard about it yet?
Snowden and Wikileaks dumped a huge amount of info about governments spying, but nothing in there involved always on microphones in our cell phones.
To be fair, an individual phone is a single compromise away from actually listening to you, so it still makes sense to avoid having sensitive conversations within earshot of a wirelessly connected microphone. But generally that’s not the concern most people should have.
Advertising tracking is much more sinister and complicated and harder to wrap your head around than “my phone is listening to me” and as a result makes for a much less glamorous story, but there are dozens, if not hundreds or thousands, of stories out there about how invasive advertising companies’ methods are, about how they know too much, etc… Think about what LLMs do with text. The level of prediction that they can do. That’s what ML algorithms can do with your behavior.
If you’re misattributing what advertisers know about you to the phone listening and reporting back, then you’re not paying attention to what they’re actually doing.
So yes - be vigilant. Just be vigilant about the right thing.
Darn, someone else beat me to it, but as they said, this was largely debunked. We already knew that data is collected every time you say “Siri”. That’s not the same as constant and passive data collection without activation.
They absolutely did not debunk that. Its a fact and it stays that.
That’s why you stopped replying to the other user lol
Ah, so you’re able to read my intentions. Good for you. I bet you’re very successful in business then.
Jokes aside. I agreed with their point that there are many reasons to be vigilant, independent from the proven fact that phones are listening.
You on the other hand are just trying to pile on something you somehow disagree with. Maybe you wanna rethink that attitude. Good bye.
Ah, so you’re downvote farming
Of course it’s recording me. That data is gold.
I will never understand trolls
OP is telling on themselves here
hey my dude, you have an interesting post history. what inspires your posts? care to share your story?
I am inspired to post by the prospect of discussing weird interesting stuff. I love doing that.
Lots of fishing involved tho.
That would require some considerable effort to pull off.
Something far more plausible: a bug in zoom that reverses the camera and/or microphone button functionality.
Interesting. A few comments and criticisms on the details. Zero replies pertaining to my actual point. And lots of downvotes.
They are afraid.
“It’s crazy that 1+1=3”
“No, it literally doesn’t. 1+1=2.”
“Why are you criticizing the DETAILS? Reply to my point!”What do you call somebody who insists upon ignoring the forest, preferring to closely examine the bark on a single tree?
Dendrologist?
The LLM-based search result summarizer of my “trust” says the following: Someone who insists on ignoring the forest and closely examining the bark on a single tree might be called detail-oriented, nitpicky, or shortsighted.
Afraid of what? Replying to what point? Your “shower thought” (lmao) is just a messy thought process of which every single step is based on nothing.
Why would we waste energy discussing consequences of events that will never happen?
I think it’s quite plausible actually. Implicit to the present state of things. It’s just a nice hack away.
At least an entertaining subject for speculation.
But no, you people found a way to find it threatening. You people do that a lot.
Oh yes, I am so threatened. You got me.
