Sure, we may want the same things, but we don’t go about trying to obtain them in the same way.
Your generation largely has those things… you know, housing, a retirement investment plan… younger generations largely do not, and they never will, because your generation climbed the ladder set up for you by your elders, and then you guys blew it up with dynamite after you finished climbing it, in order to selfishly preserve your own status.
This ultimately destroyed society in the process, and now, well, that bomb your generation threw at the ladder after climbing up the wall… has done collateral damage to the wall itself, and will soon crumble, and you all will have impoverished yourselves and all your children.
The housing market is currently crashing, Trump’s mismanagement has damaged your 401k, and Trump and the Reps really, really want to destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA Tricare, all that shit… and the US economy will soon enter into a Second Great Depression, and most of you will die alone, being mistreated in understaffed, corporate run retirement homes, or just on the streets homeless after your house gets foreclosed on and you can’t find work you can actually do.
Your generation could have instead been more equitable with your historically anomalous and freakish amount of prosperity… by continuing and expanding upon the New Deal and Great Society style programs.
Instead, your generation dismantled them, and it made things so unfair and unstable that, unless you are one of the very few who made it into the top 1 to 0.1%, most of your material wealth and accompanying social status will evaporate right when you need it the most.
Oh and there’s also the whole… climate change thing, which your generation refused to take seriously during the timeframe where doing so could have made a difference, so the result is that now most of humanity is doomed to perish this century.
You are the generation that grew up watching a man transposed forward in time, bellowing "You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!” … and then your generation just… did that, blew it all to hell.
Im not American so I dont have a 401k, and im not part of New Deal or Great Society style programs… But sure, I understand why you would assume that. It makes sense because of what I wrote.
About perishing because climate change, I dont believe that will happen. Nature is the least of our problems. Our leaders are the problem. Their greed and lust for power, their tendencies to be narcissists or full blown evil monsters. The worst of humanity. At the top of the pyramids of power.
If the US goes into a full depression, its because of its leaders. The rest of us havent done anything. I think you should blame them, and not previous generations of people just like yourself.
Im not American so I dont have a 401k, and im not part of New Deal or Great Society style programs…
Well, sorry, I shouldn’t have directed this all at precisely you,… but I am used to ‘Boomer’ being a term Americans invented and used to describe their post WW2 population cohort… because that is the actual etymylogical origin of the term.
The term ‘baby boomer’ was coined in the USA, clearly with reference to the already widely known ‘baby boom’.
The term ‘baby boomer’ was coined in the USA, clearly with reference to the already widely known ‘baby boom’. This wasn’t for some years after WWII and the earliest citation I’ve found is surprisingly late – a piece in The Bennington Banner from December 1977:
This page has its first use in the US in 1977, as well as more background on the largely US centric and temporally first development of the term.
The earliest known use of the noun baby boomer is in the 1960s.
OED’s earliest evidence for baby boomer is from 1963, in Brattlebro (Vermont) Daily Reformer.
Another US origin.
If you are using Boomer to mean a non US person in that same age group, I guess that works, but perhaps you can see how that would lead me to assume you are American.
About perishing because climate change, I dont believe that will happen.
You are just objectively wrong then.
We’ve got major acturarial societies saying the cumulative World GDP will be massively shrinking within 20 years, as in less than it is now, with a billion or so more people to house and feed and employ… from climate change losses.
We’ve got global warming consistently exceeding consensus projections.
We’ve got almost all the world’s fertile crop producing land going through a major climate shift or series of increasingly extreme shocks in the next 20 years.
The media just largely stopped talking about these topics.
In the US, we’re looking at about 1/3 of the country’s homes being too climate risky to insure, in just the next 5 to 10 years, insurers are already pulling out, local government run insurance could only work if they massively tax the wealthy, which they won’t… so all those areas will be econonomically dead and climate ravaged in just 5 to 10 years.
All across the country, all of our farms are going untended, crops unharvested, because ICE is arresting migrant farm laborers willy nilly, and they often target places of work, so… they’re not working anymore, and the result is going to be an artificially induced famine, an American Holodomor, massive food price increases, basically unless the entire Trump regime and MAGA movement is magicked out of existence, or they all suddenly become … whatever the opposite of a deranged, craven idiot is.
If the US goes into a full depression, its because of its leaders. The rest of us havent done anything. I think you should blame them, and not previous generations of people just like yourself.
Precisely. I will blame the masses of voters who fell for the bs of the leaders, who voted them into power, who voted away their rights and futures… in a democratic society.
Obviously the leaders themselves are evil.
But if our leaders are the problem, and they have been enabled, and not stopped, and we know they are leading us to ruin… and everyone just goes ‘not my fault, i didn’t do the really bad stuff personally, directly, myself!’, then congrats, most of us will die and the rest will suffer greatly.
The entire evil of unexamined complex systems is that they abstract out things into so many layered steps that everyone can argue they aren’t truly responsible or their actions were justified within the context of their specific role.
The purpose of a system is what it actually does, not what it purports or claims to do.
The only way to stop this is by applying Nuremberg style ‘just following orders is not an excuse’ logic, otherwise, again, most of humanity is going to die between 2040 and 2060.
… But, we have also passed the historical point where doing this would be even maybe kind of politically possible or likely.
I think its alright. If humanity dies out, I think we are simply not intelligent enough to live on. We built systems of capitalism and killed our planet. So be it.
Ok, got it, you flip flopped from ‘nah it wont be that bad’ to ‘well if we all die thats just fate’.
Thats uh, either death cult thinking mentality, or extreme apathy after being explained why the position you hold is wrong, which in my experience, is extremely stereotypical Boomer behavior.
‘This won’t be a problem’
Actually it will, here’s why.
‘Oh well, nothing to do about it.’
Yes, thank you for being an obstinate, disingenuous hypocrite, very useful and productive behavior.
I am amazed that you can just say the end of the human species is ‘alright’.
Well at least you can admit you are selfish at the level of your own entire species and whether or not it continues to exist, to say nothing of all of the destruction this will do to the biosphere and countless billions of non human animals.
Its usually pretty hard to get Boomers to admit they have any negative attributes at all, because they are all perfect in all the ways that matter to them.
Sure, we may want the same things, but we don’t go about trying to obtain them in the same way.
Your generation largely has those things… you know, housing, a retirement investment plan… younger generations largely do not, and they never will, because your generation climbed the ladder set up for you by your elders, and then you guys blew it up with dynamite after you finished climbing it, in order to selfishly preserve your own status.
This ultimately destroyed society in the process, and now, well, that bomb your generation threw at the ladder after climbing up the wall… has done collateral damage to the wall itself, and will soon crumble, and you all will have impoverished yourselves and all your children.
The housing market is currently crashing, Trump’s mismanagement has damaged your 401k, and Trump and the Reps really, really want to destroy Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, VA Tricare, all that shit… and the US economy will soon enter into a Second Great Depression, and most of you will die alone, being mistreated in understaffed, corporate run retirement homes, or just on the streets homeless after your house gets foreclosed on and you can’t find work you can actually do.
Your generation could have instead been more equitable with your historically anomalous and freakish amount of prosperity… by continuing and expanding upon the New Deal and Great Society style programs.
Instead, your generation dismantled them, and it made things so unfair and unstable that, unless you are one of the very few who made it into the top 1 to 0.1%, most of your material wealth and accompanying social status will evaporate right when you need it the most.
Oh and there’s also the whole… climate change thing, which your generation refused to take seriously during the timeframe where doing so could have made a difference, so the result is that now most of humanity is doomed to perish this century.
You are the generation that grew up watching a man transposed forward in time, bellowing "You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!” … and then your generation just… did that, blew it all to hell.
Im not American so I dont have a 401k, and im not part of New Deal or Great Society style programs… But sure, I understand why you would assume that. It makes sense because of what I wrote.
About perishing because climate change, I dont believe that will happen. Nature is the least of our problems. Our leaders are the problem. Their greed and lust for power, their tendencies to be narcissists or full blown evil monsters. The worst of humanity. At the top of the pyramids of power.
If the US goes into a full depression, its because of its leaders. The rest of us havent done anything. I think you should blame them, and not previous generations of people just like yourself.
Well, sorry, I shouldn’t have directed this all at precisely you,… but I am used to ‘Boomer’ being a term Americans invented and used to describe their post WW2 population cohort… because that is the actual etymylogical origin of the term.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/baby-boomer.html
This page has its first use in the US in 1977, as well as more background on the largely US centric and temporally first development of the term.
https://www.oed.com/dictionary/baby-boomer_n?tl=true
Another US origin.
If you are using Boomer to mean a non US person in that same age group, I guess that works, but perhaps you can see how that would lead me to assume you are American.
You are just objectively wrong then.
We’ve got major acturarial societies saying the cumulative World GDP will be massively shrinking within 20 years, as in less than it is now, with a billion or so more people to house and feed and employ… from climate change losses.
We’ve got global warming consistently exceeding consensus projections.
We’ve got almost all the world’s fertile crop producing land going through a major climate shift or series of increasingly extreme shocks in the next 20 years.
The media just largely stopped talking about these topics.
In the US, we’re looking at about 1/3 of the country’s homes being too climate risky to insure, in just the next 5 to 10 years, insurers are already pulling out, local government run insurance could only work if they massively tax the wealthy, which they won’t… so all those areas will be econonomically dead and climate ravaged in just 5 to 10 years.
All across the country, all of our farms are going untended, crops unharvested, because ICE is arresting migrant farm laborers willy nilly, and they often target places of work, so… they’re not working anymore, and the result is going to be an artificially induced famine, an American Holodomor, massive food price increases, basically unless the entire Trump regime and MAGA movement is magicked out of existence, or they all suddenly become … whatever the opposite of a deranged, craven idiot is.
Precisely. I will blame the masses of voters who fell for the bs of the leaders, who voted them into power, who voted away their rights and futures… in a democratic society.
Obviously the leaders themselves are evil.
But if our leaders are the problem, and they have been enabled, and not stopped, and we know they are leading us to ruin… and everyone just goes ‘not my fault, i didn’t do the really bad stuff personally, directly, myself!’, then congrats, most of us will die and the rest will suffer greatly.
The entire evil of unexamined complex systems is that they abstract out things into so many layered steps that everyone can argue they aren’t truly responsible or their actions were justified within the context of their specific role.
The purpose of a system is what it actually does, not what it purports or claims to do.
The only way to stop this is by applying Nuremberg style ‘just following orders is not an excuse’ logic, otherwise, again, most of humanity is going to die between 2040 and 2060.
… But, we have also passed the historical point where doing this would be even maybe kind of politically possible or likely.
I think its alright. If humanity dies out, I think we are simply not intelligent enough to live on. We built systems of capitalism and killed our planet. So be it.
Ok, got it, you flip flopped from ‘nah it wont be that bad’ to ‘well if we all die thats just fate’.
Thats uh, either death cult thinking mentality, or extreme apathy after being explained why the position you hold is wrong, which in my experience, is extremely stereotypical Boomer behavior.
‘This won’t be a problem’
Actually it will, here’s why.
‘Oh well, nothing to do about it.’
Yes, thank you for being an obstinate, disingenuous hypocrite, very useful and productive behavior.
I am amazed that you can just say the end of the human species is ‘alright’.
The moral selfishness of that is astounding.
Im just being honest. Not sure how many people feel like I do about it. Perhaps just a handful, perhaps millions.
But yeah, im sure its selfish to just not care that much about what happens to humanity.
Im selfish in that way. I accept what happens.
Well at least you can admit you are selfish at the level of your own entire species and whether or not it continues to exist, to say nothing of all of the destruction this will do to the biosphere and countless billions of non human animals.
Its usually pretty hard to get Boomers to admit they have any negative attributes at all, because they are all perfect in all the ways that matter to them.
I have many flaws. But I do actually like who i am. Im honest, and kind. But I dont have high hopes for the future of humanity.