IMO, you shouldn’t be so quick to apply that particular extreme version of a lefty to everyone who criticizes the Democratic Party. That’s a minority you’re describing. Most lefties voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. Unless you want to dig into history to lobby the same criticism at Clinton supporters who voted for McCain. There’s always people who don’t make sense who do stuff like that. Plus many people who were Bernie supporters in 2016 were never really lefties to begin with. I’m not saying that as a “no true Scotsman” thing, just that Bernie attracted a wider range of people fed up with the establishment and some of them would not have self-identified as a leftist.
It’s quite prejudiced to just blanket assume everyone to your left is this extreme version you’ve concocted. And before you say you don’t do that, remember how aggressive you were to me when I gave you zero indication that I fell into your little lefty box.
It’s been almost a year-long fight with “lefties” who came out of lemmy.ml and other places to explain to those of us who thought we were lefties that no, we weren’t lefties and in fact we were horrible people who should be ashamed of ever supporting Democrats. (the logical conclusion being that trump would win this election did not bother them at all.)
I appreciate it if you didn’t see all that, but if you’d like to scroll through some of the more popular posts on politics or politicalmemes or progressivepolitics or usaauthoritarianism or some other communities like that, you’ll see it’s not a rare event, it’s happened a lot. There are some posts that are very much specifically about that.
It’s partly to do with the plastic nature of the term “lefty” and how much some “on the left” were gatekeeping it as well as working diligently to damage the Democratic party’s chances in November. It’s ridiculous to begin with and the larger upshot is that we now have trump, so they got their wish. Everything horrible that happens under trump is something they fully wanted to happen because they did not support Harris or any other Democrat due to their myopic views of party politics which they would not be swayed from for any reasons. They’re still around, but only a couple of die-hards, the vast majority have not posted since the election which, frankly, is also in line with a coordinated campaign to cause division, although they’d prefer not to see that either.
None of that justifies the extreme response you had to a criticism of Democrats. One that I feel is quite valid and from your responses it kinda feels like you don’t disagree.
All I’m saying is don’t be so prejudiced against people who criticize the Democrats. We’re not all that minority you’re talking about.
And to paraphrase you: a year long fight? Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up. It’s been 8+ years of centrists accusing progressives of being responsible for everything wrong with the Democrats and Republicans. With things exactly like your comment that kicked this whole thing off. So I’m sorry if this past year has been hard with the asshats from ml, I would urge you not to perpetuate that behavior yourself. Chances are you’re doing it to someone who’s been dealing with it a lot longer than a year.
IMO, you shouldn’t be so quick to apply that particular extreme version of a lefty to everyone who criticizes the Democratic Party. That’s a minority you’re describing. Most lefties voted for Clinton, Biden, and Harris. Unless you want to dig into history to lobby the same criticism at Clinton supporters who voted for McCain. There’s always people who don’t make sense who do stuff like that. Plus many people who were Bernie supporters in 2016 were never really lefties to begin with. I’m not saying that as a “no true Scotsman” thing, just that Bernie attracted a wider range of people fed up with the establishment and some of them would not have self-identified as a leftist.
It’s quite prejudiced to just blanket assume everyone to your left is this extreme version you’ve concocted. And before you say you don’t do that, remember how aggressive you were to me when I gave you zero indication that I fell into your little lefty box.
It’s been almost a year-long fight with “lefties” who came out of lemmy.ml and other places to explain to those of us who thought we were lefties that no, we weren’t lefties and in fact we were horrible people who should be ashamed of ever supporting Democrats. (the logical conclusion being that trump would win this election did not bother them at all.)
I appreciate it if you didn’t see all that, but if you’d like to scroll through some of the more popular posts on politics or politicalmemes or progressivepolitics or usaauthoritarianism or some other communities like that, you’ll see it’s not a rare event, it’s happened a lot. There are some posts that are very much specifically about that.
It’s partly to do with the plastic nature of the term “lefty” and how much some “on the left” were gatekeeping it as well as working diligently to damage the Democratic party’s chances in November. It’s ridiculous to begin with and the larger upshot is that we now have trump, so they got their wish. Everything horrible that happens under trump is something they fully wanted to happen because they did not support Harris or any other Democrat due to their myopic views of party politics which they would not be swayed from for any reasons. They’re still around, but only a couple of die-hards, the vast majority have not posted since the election which, frankly, is also in line with a coordinated campaign to cause division, although they’d prefer not to see that either.
None of that justifies the extreme response you had to a criticism of Democrats. One that I feel is quite valid and from your responses it kinda feels like you don’t disagree.
All I’m saying is don’t be so prejudiced against people who criticize the Democrats. We’re not all that minority you’re talking about.
And to paraphrase you: a year long fight? Those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up. It’s been 8+ years of centrists accusing progressives of being responsible for everything wrong with the Democrats and Republicans. With things exactly like your comment that kicked this whole thing off. So I’m sorry if this past year has been hard with the asshats from ml, I would urge you not to perpetuate that behavior yourself. Chances are you’re doing it to someone who’s been dealing with it a lot longer than a year.
So maybe don’t tell people to fuck off first thing? Fair enough.
I think you’ll find that was after you baselessly attacked me.
Okay.