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  • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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    4 days ago

    United Healthcare was using AI to deny claims.

    Also saying AI has nothing to do with the working class struggle is hilarious.

    • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 days ago

      This is such a stretch. AI used to deny claims and video animation AI are so far apart that you might as well be complaining that both of these two things are using the same electrons 🙄

      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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        3 days ago

        Well, I disagree. They may be trained on different data sets but both represent the same ethical problems with generative AI right now, imho.

        • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 days ago

          Clearly you don’t even know what AI means and just parrot whatever meme you hear. What ethical issues? You’re comparing copyright theft to what? Using machine learning to decide whether insurance claim should be accepted? These aren’t even the same realm of computing and as close as a calculator is to Candy Crush.

          • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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            2 days ago

            So, you don’t think there’s ethical issues with letting machine learning who lives and dies? When did I say they were the exact same technology? Do not assume what I do and do not know based on things I did not say, my friend.

            • Dr. Moose@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              2 days ago

              Nah dude you said it’s the same ethical issue when it’s clearly not. Machine deciding whether who lives or dies vs what exactly? What’s the other issue that is the same “ethical issue” here with image generating AI? Which part is the same or even remotely similar?

              Maybe you mean that both technologies are problematic? But that’s really not all that useful because ALL technology is problematic by the very nature of it being a force of change.

              • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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                2 days ago

                No, please read my comment carefully. I said they represent the same ethical problems. You should not use quotes when you are not, you know, actually quoting me.

                I am maybe not the best with words but I did not mean to imply they are the exact same issue. Please stop replying to me about this topic now.

    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 days ago

      Probably also using computers. And I’ve heard that CEO drink water too.

      Primitivism are actually working against the interest of the working class. Without technology the workers are the ones who will need to work for more hours to obtain the same level of life quality.

      • iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works
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        4 days ago

        I don’t have a problem with the concept of generative AI my guy. What you call “primitivism” I call having an ethical issue with basically everything surrounding how it’s done right now. Also, I am a creative person so I do actually believe in IP.

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
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          2 days ago

          what do you see as the difference between a person seeing your work, Ingesting it into their brain to reprogram their brain, allowing them to make parallel works, and an AI ingesting your work as part of its training data?

          Our current IP laws prohibit making money on exact copies of your work. That is not what AI does.

        • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          4 days ago

          We live in a capitalist word. Almost every use of every technology is unethical.

          But people hold a special grudge against AI.

          Same example as before. Is United Healthcare use AI for denying treatment it got pointed out. If they used a Java app and traditional algorithms to do so, it’s not the technology which we point out, don’t we?

          If AI is forced in windows 11 by Microsoft, it’s pointed out. But if they force Teams, we don’t hate communication applications, don’t we? We don’t say that communication applications are bad and unethical. Even if most of them are as property of big tech as AI is.

          Now the question is, why AI is getting this special treatment?

          In order to get the answer I traces where the hated started. There was AI before. And the first by jump in generative AI was not hated, quite the contrary it got plenty of praise. But then Image generation came… And it rubbed artist the wrong way, thus the anti-AI movement started.

          Also I looked for other correlations with people against AI. And I found that they tend to be against any new technology from the last 5-10 years or so.

          So that’s how I found the answer of that question. Just looking at the origins and looking at who had those opinions.

          I have found that the genesis of most things is the key to really understand them. And this genesis really explains why if an AI takes workers jobs it’s hated and pointed out, but if a python script does the same it’s not.

          I’m an open minded person. If I get a better answer to that question that bugs me, I would reconsider my position. But I’m yet to read any rational answer on:

          Why AI gets a special treatment when judging its unethical uses when compared with any other technology also being unethically used by corporations and capitalism?

          • fakir@lemm.ee
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            4 days ago

            You are correct, AI is getting a lot of flack for unethical behavior, when unethical behavior is inherent to the neo capitalist mindset.

            And primitivism is obviously on the rise too, which is represented by the rise in individualism, nationalism, fascism worldwide.