OpenAI said the structure will help it raise more money.
  • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    10 days ago

    I was calling this shit out for years, yet I was downvoted into oblivion, argued with, called names, and dismissed as a result.

    • doomcanoe@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Weird, I said this shit for years, and I was upvoted into the heavens, agreed with, called a hero, and acknowledged as a result.

      Maybe is not what was being said?

      • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        I think it was more a case of where. I wasn’t commenting on posts that showed it negatively, I was commenting on posts that propped it up as the be-all-end-all gift to mankind. When there was any news on Sam Altman, everyone was up his ass. At the time, I’d comment some nuanced stuff that essentially took him down a few pegs and I got lit the fuck up.

        Aside from that, I was commenting on the environmental effect. Which even when I provided links- I was met with the whole “Bruh! The pros will outweigh the cons!” rhetoric.

    • cm0002@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Heh, I warn about Mozilla/Firefox all the time and get the same. I hope I’m wrong though :(

      • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Everything was clear about Mozilla the moment they started fighting the ecosystem around Gecko, with alternative browsers, useful extensions and so on. And, of course, the old usable UI.

        People just forget what they don’t know how to process.

        • scratchee@feddit.ukEnglish
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          9 days ago

          Disagree, XUL was a dead end that either needed shooting behind the bike shed or it’d have taken Mozilla down with it inevitably. It froze their internal architecture to a design that didn’t care about multicore or modern security. Switching to a proper extension api (it didn’t matter if it was chromes or their own, only that they are willing to make their own decisions, like in manifest v3).

          That said, I suspect the real death blow was when they killed servo, that project was their distant salvation, a chance to genuinely outcompete technologically and direct where browsers need to go next. I too hope I’m wrong and they can figure out a path forward, but they’ve shown little ambition from the top, so I’m not holding my breath.

          Edit: you could argue that the solution to XUL should have been an upgrade to modern design rather than death, but that would have just been an expensive temporary reprieve, the world doesn’t stop changing, it was always going to be slow to correct to whatever direction they needed to go next (and meanwhile every extension dev would be screaming murder every time they killed some braindead api designed 20 years ago).

      • expr@programming.devEnglish
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        10 days ago

        I don’t think you’ve paid enough attention. Back when ChatGPT first launched, they were treated as saints.

        The negative opinions have corresponded with public sentiment souring towards them in general (this did happen quite quickly, however).

                • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  10 days ago

                  Dude… I’m not digging through years worth of comments across several social media platforms and accounts on each just to satisfy your purposelessly sad need for attention.

                  So if as a result of this. you are left with no other choice than to accuse me of lying because I’m not playing along with your little internet rule of “you have to prove what you say or I get to call you a liar!” bullshit, then be my guest. But I’m an adult. I don’t play by nonsense childish internet rules and I don’t appease trolls.

                  Now, having explained my stance on the issue, I can expect you’ll exercise your compulsion to have the last word and call me a liar again?

                  Don’t care either way.

        • Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Can you provide even one example? AI is my autistic obsession, and I never saw anything like that on lemmy even once.

          I was even regularly searching for “AI” using the search feature daily.

          I have never once seen this, and I don’t find it believable at all, honestly.

          • MouldyCat@feddit.ukEnglish
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            9 days ago

            I think it’s another example of “internet bubbles” - people with similar views tend to congregate together and this is particularly true on the internet, when going elsewhere is always just a mouse-click away.

            When ChatGPT first launched, Lemmy was still pretty much a ghost town, and it did cause a lot of optimistic excitement e.g. on reddit. Lemmy got a big surge in numbers when reddit did its infamous API changes - enshittification driven by spez’s and other reddit executives’ insatiable lust to exploit the site for more and more money.

            Perhaps for this reason, people on Lemmy are more averse to the enshittification trend and generally exploitive nature of large tech companies. I think this is what people on Lemmy object to - tech companies’ concentration of power and profits by ripping off the general public - not so much the concept of LLMs themselves, but the fact they could easily be used to further inequality in society.

              • MouldyCat@feddit.ukEnglish
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                9 days ago

                Yes you’re right, sorry I went off on a tangent about the reasons for the intense negativity in the Lemmyverse about LLMs. I’ve been using lemmy for four years, and definitely don’t think there has ever been any positive feelings towards LLMs here, especially as ChatGPT’s arrival predates the first surge of users on Lemmy (and the subsequent appearance of all the instances we see today). On reddit, yes, and there are still many people there who still think OpenAI is great.

      • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Wether you believe it or not, it’s true. People have defended OpenAI and other LLMs vigorously over the past few years. It’s only been recently that they’re all being seen for what they are.

          • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 days ago

            On lemmy, on Reddit…. And no citation is needed. This isn’t a court of law. I don’t owe you proof of my claim, nor care if you believe me. I said what I said because it’s fucking frustrating to have been shot down time-and-again for saying shit that people soon end up agreeing with.

            It’s the same as the bullshit with Elon Musk. Everyone was up his ass thinking he’s the next Tony Stark. No one wanted to hear anything negative about him.

            Is it so hard for you to believe that there once were people that once were able to see the negative side to LLMs?

            • Communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyzEnglish
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              10 days ago

              ??? I only see people talking about the negative of both of these on lemmy. Maybe reddit, sure, I have no idea there, but on lemmy??

              I don’t know what you’re talking about.

              I have never seen a positive post about openai get upvotes on lemmy, not even when they started.

              I have never seen a positive post about elon musk on lemmy that got upvoted…

              • WrenFeathers@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                10 days ago

                Just because you haven’t seen a thing, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You really shouldn’t have gotten on this far without having had this explained to you by now- but here we are.

                I’m not going to argue with you about it.

  • Nightwatch Admin@feddit.nlEnglish
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    10 days ago

    Hahaha. April 1st is early this year.
    They are never going to make enough money by selling licenses and subscriptions for the cost of their current models (smarter people than me have made good estimates), let alone the future ones. Those future models are at a much worse performance-cost ratio. Ads will at best bring in about 1 usd per user per month (estimated by Facebook revenue and number of users) - double or triple it just for lolz, and they would still be losing money.
    So… how will this be pulled off? Only wrong answers!

    • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
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      9 days ago

      They’ll upgrade the Aibo and stick Altman’s face on it. People in offices can enjoy kicking it.

    • Nikelui@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Have a partnership with Microsoft and ship Windows 12 as the new “AI only” OS. Every command must go through ChatGPT to work. Then push updates to older Win11 OS to make them unusable.

        • themurphy@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          10 days ago

          They don’t care if they earn money the next 5-7 years.

          And they will hit the point of a great model doing human work for less than a monthly salary. It’s just a matter of time.

          • curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            10 days ago

            Without enough funding, they absolutely will care.

            Thats between $33 billion and $47 billion at current costs. Someone needs to fund that.

            I’d also note that their models seem to be getting worse, with outright irrelevant answers, worse perfoemance, failures in following instructions, etc. Stanford and UC Berkeley did a months-long comparison, and even basic math is going downhill.

          • purrtastic@lemmy.nzEnglish
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            10 days ago

            LLMs are not advancing enough any more. There just isn’t any more useful human generated text to train new models on. The net is already full of AI generated slop. OpenAI currently spends 2.35 USD to make 1 USD. It’s fundamentally unsustainable.

            • themurphy@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              10 days ago

              It costs 1 billion dollars to develop solar cells before they even sell the first product.

              The costed 100.000 dollars when starting to sell.

              They go for under 10 bucks per square today.

              And it’s like that for any technology ever invented.

              • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
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                9 days ago

                It’s also like that for nearly every technology that has failed. For every Amazon that ran in the red until it grabbed enough market share to make a profit, there are 1000 firms that went tits-up, never having turned a profit. (Actual constant may vary from 1000, but it’s pretty damn big regardless).

              • Nightwatch Admin@feddit.nlEnglish
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                10 days ago

                Yes, but solar cells are in the end very simple products made of very simple resources, with a limited task: concerting one type of energy into another. That said, there is still research in making them more efficient and cheaper, and the that research isn’t cheap.
                But generative AI / LLM takes an insane amount of resources to train and maintain, is complex to create, with a very complex task, and a slight increase in quality takes progressively more resources (like, say 10% better would be 50% more energy use - I don’t have the numbers anymore but iirc they were even worse). A better LLM would therefore be much, much more expensive while people are apparently already underwhelmed with the latest models. With the growing competition, fast rising costs and meagre quality updates, while already unable to financially sustain themselves right now, I truly don’t see it. Honestly, this is why I think Microsoft is cramming their subpar Copilot into everything - to sort of justify all the money they pumped into this.

          • fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.ccEnglish
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            10 days ago

            I’m incredulous.

            There was that thread asking what people are using LLMs for and it pretty much came down to “softening language in emails”.

            For most jobs LLMs can provide a small productivity bump.

            IMO if an LLM can do most of your job then you’re not producing much value anyway.

  • seven_phone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    10 days ago

    So the development of inorganic intelligence, considered by many as an inflection point in human civilisation is to be handed to business graduates who are historically proven to be capable of any level of atrocity in the name of corporate greed. America, fuck yeah.

    • Jo Miran@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      10 days ago

      America Greed, fuck yeah.

      Don’t fool yourself. The USA lost the exclusivity deal on unchecked corpo greed a long time ago. This is a global issue now.

        • seven_phone@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Yeah, the American tag was just a throwaway line, greed unchecked, insane and self-harming has always been with us. We let it sit with us around our camp fires like wolves but unlike wolves we never tamed it.

          • Hackworth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            10 days ago

            Then again, the US and China are basically the only players in this “game” atm. Hugging Face is trying hard to get the EU on-boarded, and I’m sure we’ll see more contenders. But right now it’s a 2-player game.

    • Ajen@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      10 days ago

      What do you mean by “inorganic intelligence,” exactly? Do you think openai has already achieved it?

    • taladar@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      10 days ago

      Actually corporations themselves are 99% of what people fear about AGI already in their inhuman decisionmaking to the detriment of humanity.

  • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    10 days ago

    No problem, after they release all the data collected under the excuse of public good and progress.

  • circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    10 days ago

    There was never another outcome.

    Capitalism breeds one thing, and it certainly isn’t innovation, and it most definitely isnt not-for-profit innovation.

    • futatorius@lemm.eeEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Capitalism is extremely good at breeding superficial, go-to-market innovation. It’s less good at funding the pure research that leads to major discoveries. But once it gets closer to engineering than to science, it’s highly effective. Even Marx commented on that.