This just shows how sports minded all this bullshit is. If Pence was still Trumps VP, he’d currently be tweeting “Oh, all praise our leader!”
But because he had a falling out, he find himself saying things that will fall on the right side of history. Not because he’s a genuinely good person, but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Didn’t hear Pence speaking out in 2019 when Trump was president, and was trying to extort Zelenskyy into blackmailing Hunter Biden. Pence didn’t say a word.
So he can shut the fuck up. He’s not wrong in what he’s saying, but HE can shut the fuck up.
Hearing Pence done with all the bullshit on the night of January 6th and shutting down people who were still trying to throw the election to Trump was the one and only time in his life when I had some respect for him. This is another, maybe the second time.
I think Pence is a genuinely good person who got hamstrung, maybe beyond redemption, by a Christian upbringing. He really wants to do what’s right. At least that is my read on him. He’s just all twisted up to where he thinks “doing what’s right” is all these horrifying things. But I don’t think he’s faking. I think, unlike almost everyone he hangs out with, he hasn’t figured out it’s a con, and is very sincere when he says he’s doing the best thing for his country and what God wants him to do.
Nobody gets to the position of Trump’s VP with clean hands. It’s just that Trump supported Pence being hanged. So like so many other conservatives, once it effects them then it’s time to do something about it.
Nobody gets to the position of Trump’s VP with clean hands.
If I was making it sound like I thought he had clean hands, that wasn’t the intent. I do not.
It’s just that Trump supported Pence being hanged.
Absolutely. I’m sure that was what woke him up. But now that he’s realized what Trump is and that it can impact him personally (which he is surely not the only one, a lot of these people professing absolute admiration for Dear Leader are a lot smarter than Pence about it), what does it gain him to make this tweet? Why are other people in similar positions to Pence not doing the same?
Yeah, maybe I should have phrased it as “had the potential to be a good person.” Something like that. Even if my farfetched remote psychoanalysis is correct, I don’t think purportedly-good intentions are an excuse.
Yeah. Even though I get the argument from the other reply that he may be a person with principles/naivete that tries to do the “right thing” but was indoctrinated from a young age to think that various evil shit was the right thing…
If Trump managed to steal the 2020 election without trying to kill Pence, then Pence would have gleefully overseen “Project 2021,” the ICEstapo, and the dehumanization of American citizens that don’t conform to his puritanical ideals.
I momentarily forgot about Vance when I read this and was like “holy fuck!” But of course Pence is not Trump’s VP now. For some reason… Oh yeah: Trump almost literally got him hanged on the Capitol lawn by blaming him for not helping him with his illegal coup! Lucky for him, no one around him has the spine to stand up for what’s right this time around. Hope our country survives it…
TBF, even if pence tried, he could not overturn the election. Objecting to the certification required both houses to agree to objecting, Democrats had the house, and there were few republican in the senate that weren’t full maga, so that was just not happening. It would’ve caused some chaos tho.
To be fair, this would hurt weapons dealers bottom line, so maybe not that surprising. That billions in aid go somewhere, and that somewhere is the military complex a lot of the conservative donors get their wealth. Just, in this case, it’s for someone getting invaded so most people are cool with this one.
This is the thing I don’t quite get. The “donations” to Ukraine (just like the ones to Israel) are just one huge tax funded subsidy to the defense contractors. You’d think Trump would be on board with that. Wonder why not.
Isnt this how politics works for a lot of people, particularly so for Republicans. Democrats and the left aren’t immune to it, but they’re usually a little better.
Right, it’s the same as Harris inciting all the republicans on stage to try to pull republicans to her side. Those people are irrelevant to everybody that matters.
This just shows how sports minded all this bullshit is. If Pence was still Trumps VP, he’d currently be tweeting “Oh, all praise our leader!”
But because he had a falling out, he find himself saying things that will fall on the right side of history. Not because he’s a genuinely good person, but because the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Didn’t hear Pence speaking out in 2019 when Trump was president, and was trying to extort Zelenskyy into blackmailing Hunter Biden. Pence didn’t say a word.
So he can shut the fuck up. He’s not wrong in what he’s saying, but HE can shut the fuck up.
Hearing Pence done with all the bullshit on the night of January 6th and shutting down people who were still trying to throw the election to Trump was the one and only time in his life when I had some respect for him. This is another, maybe the second time.
I think Pence is a genuinely good person who got hamstrung, maybe beyond redemption, by a Christian upbringing. He really wants to do what’s right. At least that is my read on him. He’s just all twisted up to where he thinks “doing what’s right” is all these horrifying things. But I don’t think he’s faking. I think, unlike almost everyone he hangs out with, he hasn’t figured out it’s a con, and is very sincere when he says he’s doing the best thing for his country and what God wants him to do.
Nobody gets to the position of Trump’s VP with clean hands. It’s just that Trump supported Pence being hanged. So like so many other conservatives, once it effects them then it’s time to do something about it.
If I was making it sound like I thought he had clean hands, that wasn’t the intent. I do not.
Absolutely. I’m sure that was what woke him up. But now that he’s realized what Trump is and that it can impact him personally (which he is surely not the only one, a lot of these people professing absolute admiration for Dear Leader are a lot smarter than Pence about it), what does it gain him to make this tweet? Why are other people in similar positions to Pence not doing the same?
Aw man, the virus got him, too.
I think he had an existenrial crisis after nearly getting lynched by the mob of the person whom he serves, and realized he was in a cult.
Not a good person, but a smart person, smart enough to realize the cult has gone too far.
Not a smart person either.
He is not a genuinely good person. He wants a Christian Taliban theocracy, full of hate and evil.
Yeah, maybe I should have phrased it as “had the potential to be a good person.” Something like that. Even if my farfetched remote psychoanalysis is correct, I don’t think purportedly-good intentions are an excuse.
That’s a very understated way of saying Trump tried to kill him.
Has a habit of spoiling friendships and marring productive working relationships that, the old tried-to-have-you-killed thing.
“sports minded”. That’s a new way to call traitors cowards. I don’t think it’s harsh enough, personally.
How bout “sports minded, traitorous, cowards”
I mean, in that timeline, Jan 6 never happened and his fuhrer’s mob didn’t try to hang him.
Yeah. Even though I get the argument from the other reply that he may be a person with principles/naivete that tries to do the “right thing” but was indoctrinated from a young age to think that various evil shit was the right thing…
If Trump managed to steal the 2020 election without trying to kill Pence, then Pence would have gleefully overseen “Project 2021,” the ICEstapo, and the dehumanization of American citizens that don’t conform to his puritanical ideals.
I momentarily forgot about Vance when I read this and was like “holy fuck!” But of course Pence is not Trump’s VP now. For some reason… Oh yeah: Trump almost literally got him hanged on the Capitol lawn by blaming him for not helping him with his illegal coup! Lucky for him, no one around him has the spine to stand up for what’s right this time around. Hope our country survives it…
TBF, even if pence tried, he could not overturn the election. Objecting to the certification required both houses to agree to objecting, Democrats had the house, and there were few republican in the senate that weren’t full maga, so that was just not happening. It would’ve caused some chaos tho.
Surprisingly, people from Shapiro to Fox News seem to be pretty annoyed by Trump making that claim.
To be fair, this would hurt weapons dealers bottom line, so maybe not that surprising. That billions in aid go somewhere, and that somewhere is the military complex a lot of the conservative donors get their wealth. Just, in this case, it’s for someone getting invaded so most people are cool with this one.
This is the thing I don’t quite get. The “donations” to Ukraine (just like the ones to Israel) are just one huge tax funded subsidy to the defense contractors. You’d think Trump would be on board with that. Wonder why not.
Isnt this how politics works for a lot of people, particularly so for Republicans. Democrats and the left aren’t immune to it, but they’re usually a little better.
Quite a bit better, and that’s why Harris lost.
Right, it’s the same as Harris inciting all the republicans on stage to try to pull republicans to her side. Those people are irrelevant to everybody that matters.