• rottingleaf@lemmy.world
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    I, eh, would think that Phoenician societies and a lot of Ancient Greece could be called that too.

    In any case, if everything involving markets and mutually voluntary deals and trade is called capitalism, then everything is capitalism. But that doesn’t make any sense.

    Capitalism is specifically what Marx was talking about - where the economic system is kinda free and equal, but to be a subject in it you have to own some capital, allowing you to create enterprises. You can’t do it with just your head and two hands, because it’s very expensive. So you need to ally with some generational wealth. Quite often that of aristocrats.

    So-o things like VC and more recently crowdfunding and what not, which everybody blames for enshittification and such, are what ended the original capitalism in some sense. People who have some kind of a business plan and skills, and small capital (something realistic to assemble), can try. Also the startup incubators and all that.

    A lot of it is BS, but in general you don’t have to make an appointment with some Victorian dude with a monocle, wait for him a few hours, then explain your whole idea to him a few more hours, and then - that dude will be very polite and knowledgeable and interested, by the way, - likely get a commendation letter to some acquaintances of the dude, his written commentary with advice on your ideas, and a polite refusal.

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      I guarantee you have never read a page by Marx. Your understanding of capitalism and socialism is shocking.

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        I guarantee you have never read a page by Marx.

        I have read Capital in full. Is there anything else?

        What is your guarantee worth?

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          Not a soul here believes that. Your post history is visible. You spell ‘bloc’ as “block” and your understanding of capitalism is that of a very young person’s. Not to mention, nobody would reply that they read Capital in full — they would say they’ve read Marx’s volume of Capital. You’re transparent.

          Once again, I guarantee you’ve never read a page by Marx. You really should try it.

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            You spell ‘bloc’ as “block” and your understanding of capitalism is that of a very young person’s

            How do we call a person ignorant of there being plenty of languages other than English, sometimes without such distinction between these words?

            Anyway, spelling errors are indicative only of spelling errors.

            My “understanding of capitalism” - ignorance and arrogance go together, and Marxists are a premier example of both.

            Not to mention, nobody would reply that they read Capital in full — they would say they’ve read Marx’s volume of Capital.

            Personal insults are forbidden here, but some time from now you might learn that people reply to all kinds of things differently.

            Once again, I guarantee you’ve never read a page by Marx. You really should try it.

            I have already told you that you’ve shat yourself and asked what is your guarantee supported with. You are wrong. What will you do?

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                I have already told you that you’ve shat yourself and asked what is your guarantee supported with. You are wrong. What will you do?

                Holding a marxist to their world - and being called a liberal (what that even is). Classic

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                  Oh, so now you don’t know what ‘liberal’ means, yet you’re content claiming you’ve studied Marx? Come on. Aren’t you embarrassed?