• loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlM
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    3 days ago

    Main reason is that NATO provides a convenient pretext for maintaining American presence in and around Europe which helps keep Europe subservient to USA. They could keep American troops if NATO is dissolved but that feels like an awkward situation since that is the kind of thing that is usually done to black and brown people of the rest of the world.

    Second reason is that the chain of possible events suggested in this piece seems incoherent to me. It goes like: US pulls out of NATO -> EU starts rearming itself -> EU keeps down the untermensch. It doesn’t make sense to me. A natural consequence of US pulling out would be make Europe a little bit more sovereign which would make them more likely to seek peace with power countries.

    I think the US wants to push European defense spending up and for doing that it is crucial that they keep NATO around and have NATO military spending requirements around as a pretext otherwise it will be much harder to get public approval for this irrational spending.

    US having talks with Russia I put that on Ukraine having been pretty much defeated and US trying to pivot to Israel (maybe China) combined with how attacking Ukraine has been a core republican talking point to attack Democrats.

    For Balkanising EU I am not sure about that. Haven’t considered that possibility yet.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      3 days ago

      I get that, but that assumes the US still feels the need to use NATO to maintain this relationship. If the US plans to deal with Russia directly, then Europe becomes largely irrelevant. US and Russia will just carve up spheres of influence in Europe instead.

      The relevance of Europe stemmed from USSR being the main adversary of the US. Today, it’s clearly China and the US is very openly saying they want to pivot to Asia. In this scenario, normalizing relations with Russia and pulling out of Europe makes perfect sense. The US can’t be everywhere at once, and they have to prioritize now that they’re dealing with multiple peer adversaries in form or Russia and China. Europe simply doesn’t have the relevance that it used to.