Which would be more true than most of Putin’s claims.
Nazi is stretching the word, but not really very much. Palestinians are Semites though, so anti-Semitic isn’t a stretch at all, it’s just blatantly correct
Antisemitism has one specific definition, which is the hatred of Jews.
Please don’t use an etymological fallacy often used by antisemites (“It’s not antisemitism, I’m not calling for the death of Palestinians” is an actual thing I’ve seen). Also as yesman said, “Semites” is indeed race science, which should not be used as if it has any kind of validity whatsoever.
“Semite” is as archaic (and accurate) as “mongoloid” or “Aryan”. It’s no matter that it uses language as a proxy for blood. Reformed race science is still race science.
I was under the impression “Semitic peoples” broadly meant “from the Eastern Mediterranean coastal area.” While there’s obviously been a lot of migration to and from the area, is it really as pseudoscientific as making up things about the spread of a random tribe that migrated to India?
There are two definitions of Semitic peoples, one of which is accurate and still in use and another of which is obsolete race science.
Ancient Semitic peoples were a real and well-attested ethnolinguistic group of speakers of proto-Semitic, a branch of the Afroasiatic language family that evolved into Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and other languages. The emergence, distribution and development of these languages in the 3rd millennium BC is of great historical importance as Akkadian, the language of ancient Babylon, accounts for some of our earliest examples of written language in ancient Mesopotamia.
The obsolete definition was constructed by German pseudo-historians in the 1700s and 1800s as a way to distinguish Jews, Arabs, and other peoples from “Aryan” whites, which of course influenced the development of Nazi ideology and antisemitism in the sense of discrimination against Jews.
So there’s a real and important definition here if we’re talking about the languages and cultures of ancient Mesopotamia, and a modern definition that was invented by German racists to justify their purported superiority over other “races.”
Israel is fucked in very similar ways but they’re not antisemitic in the modern use of the word at least (i.e. hating jews). And nazi tends to include that too.
If he just said they’re a genocidal regime I’d be with him on that, they did somehow manage to make russias invasion of ukraine look less bad in comparision.
For the reasons I gestured at above, it’s clear Netanyahu is pretty indifferent about Jews being killed.
Is it an end he wants unto itself? No.
Is he perfectly happy to sacrifice thousands of Jewish lives to advance his own interests? Absolutely.
The point stands though - substitute “Juden” for Palestinian, and you’ll struggle to find much difference between Israel and Nazi Germany. You’ll remember that the Jews weren’t the only people the Nazis targeted - they weren’t even the first.
You’ll remember that the Jews weren’t the only people the Nazis targeted - they weren’t even the first.
To add context: in the KZ Mauthausen (don’t know numbers for other KZ) only 20% of the people were Jewish. Most were Slavic, some other minority, political opponents or (basically also political opponents) people who refused to comply with the regime.
Putin will claim Israel’s army is full of antisemitic Nazis.
Which would be more true than most of Putin’s claims.
Nazi is stretching the word, but not really very much. Palestinians are Semites though, so anti-Semitic isn’t a stretch at all, it’s just blatantly correct
Antisemitism has one specific definition, which is the hatred of Jews.
Please don’t use an etymological fallacy often used by antisemites (“It’s not antisemitism, I’m not calling for the death of Palestinians” is an actual thing I’ve seen). Also as yesman said, “Semites” is indeed race science, which should not be used as if it has any kind of validity whatsoever.
“Semite” is as archaic (and accurate) as “mongoloid” or “Aryan”. It’s no matter that it uses language as a proxy for blood. Reformed race science is still race science.
I was under the impression “Semitic peoples” broadly meant “from the Eastern Mediterranean coastal area.” While there’s obviously been a lot of migration to and from the area, is it really as pseudoscientific as making up things about the spread of a random tribe that migrated to India?
There are two definitions of Semitic peoples, one of which is accurate and still in use and another of which is obsolete race science.
Ancient Semitic peoples were a real and well-attested ethnolinguistic group of speakers of proto-Semitic, a branch of the Afroasiatic language family that evolved into Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and other languages. The emergence, distribution and development of these languages in the 3rd millennium BC is of great historical importance as Akkadian, the language of ancient Babylon, accounts for some of our earliest examples of written language in ancient Mesopotamia.
The obsolete definition was constructed by German pseudo-historians in the 1700s and 1800s as a way to distinguish Jews, Arabs, and other peoples from “Aryan” whites, which of course influenced the development of Nazi ideology and antisemitism in the sense of discrimination against Jews.
So there’s a real and important definition here if we’re talking about the languages and cultures of ancient Mesopotamia, and a modern definition that was invented by German racists to justify their purported superiority over other “races.”
Sure, but does it really count when it’s Semite on Semite action?
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Israel is fucked in very similar ways but they’re not antisemitic in the modern use of the word at least (i.e. hating jews). And nazi tends to include that too.
If he just said they’re a genocidal regime I’d be with him on that, they did somehow manage to make russias invasion of ukraine look less bad in comparision.
For the reasons I gestured at above, it’s clear Netanyahu is pretty indifferent about Jews being killed.
Is it an end he wants unto itself? No.
Is he perfectly happy to sacrifice thousands of Jewish lives to advance his own interests? Absolutely.
The point stands though - substitute “Juden” for Palestinian, and you’ll struggle to find much difference between Israel and Nazi Germany. You’ll remember that the Jews weren’t the only people the Nazis targeted - they weren’t even the first.
To add context: in the KZ Mauthausen (don’t know numbers for other KZ) only 20% of the people were Jewish. Most were Slavic, some other minority, political opponents or (basically also political opponents) people who refused to comply with the regime.
jesus christ
Tankies will go nuts with glee finally seeing their antisemitism affirmed.