That is different from being picked up on the street and sent to another country, no courts, no lawyers, no nothing.

We’re in a de facto vs. de jure argument.

Nazis in Poland; de facto I agree with you. De jure not so much. It was an apartheid system where (depending in when in the timeline) Jews, Poles and Blacks had a distinct set of rights that were routinely violated.

US legal system; de jure I agree with you. De facto not so much. The US has a looooong history of blatant rights violations and use of black sites (GTMO, Homan square, Camp Kościuszko etc.). The specific things your referencing is a relic from the Obama era (article from 2014 talking about legislation from 2012) .

My annoyance comes from the conflating of de facto vs de jure and then picking which one you focus on depending on what scenario best boosters your claim and not realizing de facto =/= de jure.

That’s not to say it isn’t fucked up, but that pining for the old days of law and order isn’t what you think it is. ‘return to status quo’ is not a fix.

I don’t have a good answer for you, I have a:

Your thesis is fundamentally flawed, if we are ever going to get an answer you need to stop getting mad at the people working to help you find a solution.

What I (and others) are trying to tell you is that the christofascist fuck cult goes much deeper than the surface level that you are fixated on. The “deep flaws” you see in the Democratic party aren’t bugs, they’re ‘features’.

The current status quo is deeply broken, I think we can both agree on that, yes?

The threat of violence (along with capability) has historically been a very effective tool for change (for better and worse), but I do no not see it being effective in a world where drone strikes, autonomous murder copters and nuclear weapons are a thing.

I also argue that the concept of electoralism is fundamentally broken and so electing more Republicans, Democrats, 3rd parties, goldfish, etc. is not going to solve/change anything either.

Accelerationism replaces current problems with worse ones, but my understanding is that if you’re focus is on your grandchildren and thinking in the timescale of centuries then maybe. IMO it’s one hell of a big gamble with an incredibly high cost and low odds of substantial/any progress.

What are your thoughts?

You talked right past the inherent contradictions and did not see them.

Assuming the US election process remains unchanged for the foreseeable future how do you get electoral reforms using the electoral process that you agree needs reforms?

I don’t think it is intrinsically wrong to deport someone who has entered the country illegally and a supermajority of Americans agree with that.

Then you believe in a system where you can be sent to a place where there is no appeal process to return.

With that being said I find the American approach to dealing with immigration self-defeating regardless of what the actual goal is.

Agreed!

There is a fundamental difference between the laws in occupied Poland and the United States. There were no judges or appeals processes. Just Party functionaries whose hands needed greasing.

That’s kind of like saying “There were no judges or appeals processes for prisons in 21st century America, there were only plea deals made by law firms whose hands needed greasing.” It’s not functionally wrong, but it is technically and legally laughable.

The appeal process within occupied Poland was that first you needed to appeal to your local Judenräte who would negotiate on your behalf to the German occupation authorities. Except most of the time the individual was left out of the process and it was simply negotiations between the Judenräte and the Occupation authority. They were explicitly setup as judges within a form of lower court to manage these sorts of things and one of their strongest forms of resistance was to aquire documentation (sometimes falsified) in order to get those already within the ghettos to be classified as “mischlinge” and allowed out of the ghetto.

Do you have a plan for that “electoral reform” that doesn’t involve said ballot box?

Do you not see the inherent contradictions there?

Is the argument “getting sent to” or “getting returned from”, 2nd argument is stronger but still a bad definition for the same reasons. The legal argument is that you can’t de-deport someone and it’s the responsibility of the other party to deport them back to the USA if they have been mistakenly deported. That being said maybe said laws and deportations in general are a fucked up concept to begin with?

It was an incredibly corrupt process (like most appeals processes are) but most famously it was the legal mechanism by which Oskar Schindler was able to protect his workers and expand his workforce.

By that definition the Nazi death camps weren’t concentration camps, nor is anything Trump or Biden having done “concentration camps”.

A 5 minute hearing within a detention center does allow for an appeal, and is used by those with enough wealth/privilege/etc. However I suspect that isn’t what you meant, can you expand on that definition?

Edit: I realized there was also another interpretation which is that all jails, detention centers, police vehicles, etc. are concentration camps.

What is your definition of “concentration camps”?

Migrant detention centers and prisons were a focus within the “build back better” set of legislature and the ICE raids and campus crackdowns I’m assuming you are referencing are a continuation of the Biden administration’s crackdown from well over a year ago.

If you’re just referencing Guantanamo bay as a migrant detention center then every president since 1974 has been guilty of concentration camps.

Y’all look at the date… This tool isn’t standing up for anyone or anything, he’s doing an elaborate April fools joke

The context for the DEFUSE program is that SARS-cov-1 was of pretty significant concern that it could mutate into a global pandemic similar to the Cov-2 pandemic that actually happened. The program was funded to investigate, learn and prepare for what were predicted to be some of the more dangerous possible mutations.

The “smoking gun” here is all correlation. Saying “they predicted correctly what was dangerous and were proactively studying it” is not a good argument for causation.

However, the theory that I haven’t seen well debunked/studied is that improper handling/disposal of dead viruses/plasmids/etc. increased the risk of/allowed for recombinants with the endemic Cov strain resulting in those mutations of greatest concern… Have you come across anything on that?

The science behind DNA profiling is grossly overstated. it doesn’t sequence a full genome and is often using partial/degraded samples and relies entirely on statistical differences. In probability games, there’s no such thing as certainty…

In addition since 2010 anyone using “standard molecular biology techniques such as PCR, molecular cloning, and recently developed whole genome amplification (WGA), enable anyone with basic equipment and know-how to produce practically unlimited amounts of in vitro synthesized (artificial) DNA with any desired genetic profile.” and there have been a plethora of new tools/techniques which make doing that even easier…

You can’t treat any existing mental health issues while people are living on the street developing new ones.

Ah yes, because criminals are subhumans who should be exterminated like the cockroaches they are. And if we can’t take the trash out back like we should we can at least make it not our problem and make sure the cockroaches aren’t in our backyard. That’s what you’re saying right?

China is half a world away and isn’t directly involved in my day to day. The harms that China can do to me are significantly less than those American businesses.

It’s not about trust, it’s about accurate threat modeling.

Homicide rate is far less than other countries.

People are jailed and murdered in the US over “speech” all the time.

It seems like your “us is far better” is based purely on vibes… Unless you’ve got some numbers you’d like to share?

I used to have that issue, the secret for me was that I needed to explicitly look for wide shoes (Xw as in 10.5w) my current shoes are going on 2 years now :D

The USA has the highest incarcerated population in the world. Per capita it’s about 2-4x the list of “authoritarian” states that usually get referenced.

Do you want to do a quick compare on the rates of extrajudicial killings as well?

I don’t know what better quantitative measurement for “authoritarian” are than life and liberty. Do you have better ones?