Id say the same to you. Agree to disagree. Im moving on.

The root cause is that people are let off the hook. “Oh both candidates were bad, no point in voting.” Hell you hear that crap all the time “republican and republican lite.” It’s not even close to the truth and people saying it are just giving people excuses for being lazy and letting them off the hook.

I’m not trying to make them hurt. I think they will be by default and deserve to be reminded that doing nothing ensured it.

And if you would read what I wrote then you’d see that I am saying the Dems need to make changes sure but we also need to remind nonvoters they most definitely culpable for everything that happens in this administration. Why are you so averse to that? Afraid they might actually be forced to do some introspection and realize that they are part of the problem? Maybe they’ll finally take ownership and actually go vote?

For real- take the L and move on.

You make excuses for them not voting and absolve them of ownership of the situation. They’ll never feel like theyre at fault if you do that. And they should.

And I fundamentally disagree- the party is supposed to convince you to vote for them, not to vote in general. It’s a civic duty.

So yes, so long as they never are made to feel they drove the car into the ditch, they won’t. So my suggestion is to start making them acutely aware that they are at fault and when bad shit happens let them know that they brought it upon themselves but they also have the power to change that in the future.

Keep giving excuses and being dense. See how that works out for you. Great job.

Voters and non voters.

Im asking for the slightest bit of effort on their part.

But sure, keep making excuses for them and they’ll take it. Im sure they’ll wake up one day and realize it’s all their fault after everyone has continually excused them.

Haha, if you think I have a “team”, youre fucking cooked.

I’m calling a spade a spade. You want to avoid this? Vote for who is CLOSEST to what you want. Instead of waiting for Santa Claus.

Amazing. You read an article about how shitty trump is and you immediately blame Democrats.

Nah. I blame the super delegate BS, non voters, and trump voters for that.

No I agree with you wholeheartedly. Im tired of people only blaming dems. Plenty to go around.

Ahh, still blaming everyone but dumbasses who voted trump or didn’t vote eh?

Just use a sonatype nexus 3 image and proxy docker hub, etc. Then you pull images through it.

It is BUT you are limited to their test servers for mobile notifications and they honestly suck. It’s a coin flip whether you get them. And if you want better you have to set up your own container system like them with firebase and Apple Dev ids.

I like it still but for a Greenfield project I’d probably try matrix 2.0 on synapse with element x as the mobile app.

Yep. But try to tell them theyre at fault at least partially and they’ll just screech about Democrats for not being mind readers.

Not sit around and wait for them to enact the agenda you want first and after that you’ll vote for them. Think about how training a dog works.

You deserve kudos for this. Very well put.

I don’t think you understand their point. Republicans always turn out to vote for their candidate. Then they win (at least a good portion of the time) and they vote in primaries and move the party further right. For any evidence just look at the past 2 decades.

Whereas the left just decides to sit out and therefore Dems lose (or only win at odd times.) They can’t count on leftist/apathetic voters, so they go towards where they think they can get votes (ie. people who always vote and if they do convert enough they are profiting by gaining one vote for them and removing one from Republicans.)

Now everyone here is saying it’s soooo obvious that it’s a poor strategy but is there any introspection on behalf of the left/apathetic? How has withholding your vote or not voting in primaries gone? It’s been done for years and society has moved so, so far away from leftist goals no?

So their point is that it probably is a mix- surely the Dems need to actually run on popular policy and leftists/apathetic need to suck it up, vote in all elections, and vote for the best candidate. Pick your preferred candidate in the primary and then vote for the Democratic candidate in the general, no matter what (well- barring something egregious like…being anything like Trump.) Once Dems actually have power, you can keep pushing left. But if people just sit out, you’re not gonna be counted. Decades of that is proof.

Edit- maybe you mean you can’t win the center over with conservatism-lite. Maybe that’s true, maybe not. But someone mentioned Bernie finished behind Harris in Vermont so I don’t know that it’s a maxim.

If this election cost America the Republic then I would argue the voters cost it.

If you can’t be bothered to vote to save the Republic then it was lost already anyhow.

The person you’re responding to thinks they’re a political savant and know everything. Best to ignore. Even when they’ve been proven wrong they adjust and pretend they knew all along.

And their dumbasses will get fucked by trump just the same. Congrats to them.

You guys think the dems really care. They’ll be fine. But hey, act like youre really sticking it to them. Im sure theyre so hurt and won’t make ends meet now.

I mean, we can blame the DNC some. But we should definitely be blaming Trump voters and non-voters.

The reverse side of this (that the Onion should do next) is:

“Oh yeah. I didn’t go out and vote. Surely the 30th time in a row means the DNC will learn their lesson and then promote leftist policy like I want!”