Major health groups support water fluoridation as a public health benefit and emphasize that the practice is safe.

Summary

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that a Trump administration would prioritize removing fluoride from public water systems, a position at odds with major health organizations like the CDC, the American Dental Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, all of which endorse water fluoridation as safe and beneficial for dental health.

Despite Kennedy’s controversial stance on health and environmental issues, which includes previously debunked claims linking vaccines to autism, Trump has praised his passion, stating that Kennedy would have significant freedom to influence health policy if Trump were elected.

  • nightingale@lemmy.ca
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    2 days ago

    The issue is not whether fluoride is good or bad. Conservatives vilify medical experts as “woke” and it that as a reason to dismiss their advice.

    I too can cherry pick an article to support my position. The number of cavities in children born in Calgary, Canada within the decade after they removed fluoride from their water was higher than nearby Edmonton who kept fluoride.

    We can argue about who has more links to support their argument; or we can argue about whether politicians should govern based on the recommendations of experts, or trust that “they know best”.

    • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
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      2 days ago

      That isn’t an article I cherry picked. It’s literally actual research from those “experts” you pretend to worship.

      • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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        1 day ago

        Claims to not have cherry picked anything yet follows up with the claim that scientists are fake experts and he doesn’t listen to them.

        You’ve exposed your ruse here, bud.

        • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
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          1 day ago

          You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m challenging people to actually read and engage with the content, instead of treating scientists like some higher power which must be deferred too, even in absence of understanding.

          • CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee
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            1 day ago

            I’m not putting words in your mouth, you clearly don’t think they’re experts by your use if the snarky quotes around it and stated “you people worship” which obviously excludes yourself from that category.

            If you’re trying to challenge people, why aren’t you replying to the multitude of comments pointing out that the study you linked doesn’t say what you think it does?

            • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
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              1 day ago

              Why reply the same thing multiple times? I already quoted the very first line, which quite clearly states that there have indeed been multiple studies recently which represent fluoride as a neurotoxin. Whether you agree with them or not, it’s very obvious evidence that concerns are not without foundation.

                • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
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                  19 hours ago

                  It’s literally not misinformation though. The very first line quite clearly states that there have been multiple studies in recent times which characterize Fluoride as a neurotoxin. This sort of behaviour, deliberately lying about the content of scientific research, is exactly why people are losing faith in our systems.

                  • Blackbeard@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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                    19 hours ago

                    Here is the abstract of the study you cited (Guth et al 2020):

                    Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls. If true, this assessment would be highly relevant considering the widespread fluoridation of drinking water and the worldwide use of fluoride in oral hygiene products such as toothpaste…based on the totality of currently available scientific evidence, the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be assessed as a human developmental neurotoxicant at the current exposure levels in Europe.

                    Emphasis mine. Let me rephrase with a made up example:

                    Recently it’s been suggested that carbon dioxide is poisonous. If true, then the fact that humans are breathing carbon dioxide is worrisome. We reviewed the research, and carbon dioxide is not poisonous in the concentration to which humans are normally exposed. They would have to inhale 80-100% CO2 for an extended duration, and that scenario is highly unlikely because that concentration can only be achieved in a laboratory.

                    Your study is not saying fluoride is a toxin. It’s saying people have claimed it’s a toxin, they looked into it, and that conclusion is bogus. The study that’s routinely cited as claiming it’s a toxin is this one. Here is Guth et al’s analysis of that study:

                    In this publication, the authors cited one of their previous studies, a meta-analysis from 2012 of 27 cross-sectional studies investigating children exposed to fluoride in drinking water (Choi et al. 2012). There, a decreased IQ was observed in ‘fluoride exposed’ compared to ‘reference populations’. However, Choi et al. (Choi et al. 2012) also discussed limitations of their findings, e.g., that critical confounders were not considered and age adjustment of cognitive test scores were not reported in most studies included in the meta-analysis. Nevertheless, in the Lancet Neurology review (Grandjean and Landrigan 2014), the authors concluded that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant, although no novel data and arguments were presented. Moreover, it was stated that ‘confounding from other substances seems unlikely in most of these studies’ (Grandjean and Landrigan 2014) without supporting this statement with data. Besides this questionable reinterpretation, further limitations of the meta-analysis have already been discussed in detail by other authors (Feldman 2014; Gelinas and Allukian 2014; Sabour and Ghorbani 2013; Sutton et al. 2015), e.g., the use of non-validated IQ tests (Feldman 2014), exposure of the children to a relatively highly polluted environment, the subsequent risk of possible confounding substances (Feldman 2014; Gelinas and Allukian 2014), and an overall low quality of the meta-analysis (Sutton et al. 2015). Moreover, in the time period after the introduction of fluoridation of drinking water, IQs in general have increased (Feldman 2014). This may be due to secondary factors, such as improved education.

                    The study you’ve cited does not say fluoride is a developmental neurotoxin. It very explicitly says it is not. Do not claim that it is.

      • otp@sh.itjust.works
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        2 days ago

        When you dismiss other scientific evidence like this, it makes it seem less like you are mindfully sharing research for open discussion, and more like you have a link to use as “ammunition” to defend the conclusion you’ve already reached (and won’t be reasoned out of)

        • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
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          1 day ago

          And didn’t even fucking read the article they are attempting to use as ammunition, to boot, the article specifically denies the point they’re trying to make

        • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
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          1 day ago

          If I were looking for ammunition, I certainly wouldn’t share something which doesn’t explicitly state my point. I shared this to show, for those honest enough to actually consider it, that there is in fact research suggesting concerns aren’t baseless.

          Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls.

        • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          1 day ago

          These people use research the same way a drunkard uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination.

          (Paraphrasing)

      • Jay@lemmy.caEnglish
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        2 days ago

        … And it literally actually says it’s not a concern.

      • airglow@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        2 days ago

        The article you linked explicitly concludes:

        Overall, despite the remaining uncertainties, and based on the totality of evidence the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be considered as a human developmental neurotoxicant at current exposure levels in European countries.