Summary
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that a Trump administration would prioritize removing fluoride from public water systems, a position at odds with major health organizations like the CDC, the American Dental Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, all of which endorse water fluoridation as safe and beneficial for dental health.
Despite Kennedy’s controversial stance on health and environmental issues, which includes previously debunked claims linking vaccines to autism, Trump has praised his passion, stating that Kennedy would have significant freedom to influence health policy if Trump were elected.
Not the lead. The fluoride!
Honestly there have been studies linking fluoride to lower intelligence and there are many studies stating that it doesn’t really make a difference in dental health. If you’re brushing your teeth properly you’ll be fine.
Most of Europe does the put it in their water and they’re fine.
Edit: I say this as someone who absolutely does not want trump or rfk dealing with any of this. Even a broken racist worm ridden clock can be right once in a while
You can find studies saying anything you want if you look. Find a meta-analysis and see what it says about all the studies together.
Yes, high concentrations of anything aren’t good for you. That study found a negative effect at comparatively high levels, but did not quantify any safe level, let alone conclude the safe level is zero.
Our review cannot be used to derive an exposure limit, because the actual exposures of the individual children are not known. Misclassification of children in both high- and low-exposure groups may have occurred if the children were drinking water from other sources (e.g., at school or in the field).
Based on known performance in areas with lower fluoridation (≤1 mg/L), it would suggest there is a safe limit that can improve dental health without neurotoxicity.
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In the universe of bad and crazy things that brain worm addled RFK jr. would do, this is one of the least bad and crazy.
Great way to send a lot of business to dentists.
Eh… the benefits only really exist for people who don’t brush their teeth anyways, and there actually are some founded concerns about it’s safety. This is one area you should really research more before leaping on the “Trump bad” bandwagon.
Removed for clearly misrepresenting health research findings.
The issue is not whether fluoride is good or bad. Conservatives vilify medical experts as “woke” and it that as a reason to dismiss their advice.
I too can cherry pick an article to support my position. The number of cavities in children born in Calgary, Canada within the decade after they removed fluoride from their water was higher than nearby Edmonton who kept fluoride.
We can argue about who has more links to support their argument; or we can argue about whether politicians should govern based on the recommendations of experts, or trust that “they know best”.
That isn’t an article I cherry picked. It’s literally actual research from those “experts” you pretend to worship.
Claims to not have cherry picked anything yet follows up with the claim that scientists are fake experts and he doesn’t listen to them.
You’ve exposed your ruse here, bud.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I’m challenging people to actually read and engage with the content, instead of treating scientists like some higher power which must be deferred too, even in absence of understanding.
I’m not putting words in your mouth, you clearly don’t think they’re experts by your use if the snarky quotes around it and stated “you people worship” which obviously excludes yourself from that category.
If you’re trying to challenge people, why aren’t you replying to the multitude of comments pointing out that the study you linked doesn’t say what you think it does?
Why reply the same thing multiple times? I already quoted the very first line, which quite clearly states that there have indeed been multiple studies recently which represent fluoride as a neurotoxin. Whether you agree with them or not, it’s very obvious evidence that concerns are not without foundation.
When you dismiss other scientific evidence like this, it makes it seem less like you are mindfully sharing research for open discussion, and more like you have a link to use as “ammunition” to defend the conclusion you’ve already reached (and won’t be reasoned out of)
These people use research the same way a drunkard uses a lamppost - for support rather than illumination.
(Paraphrasing)
If I were looking for ammunition, I certainly wouldn’t share something which doesn’t explicitly state my point. I shared this to show, for those honest enough to actually consider it, that there is in fact research suggesting concerns aren’t baseless.
Recently, epidemiological studies have suggested that fluoride is a human developmental neurotoxicant that reduces measures of intelligence in children, placing it into the same category as toxic metals (lead, methylmercury, arsenic) and polychlorinated biphenyls.
And didn’t even fucking read the article they are attempting to use as ammunition, to boot, the article specifically denies the point they’re trying to make
The article you linked explicitly concludes:
Overall, despite the remaining uncertainties, and based on the totality of evidence the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be considered as a human developmental neurotoxicant at current exposure levels in European countries.
You weren’t supposed to read the study! 😅
… And it literally actually says it’s not a concern.
That paper specifically concludes that despite all that, there is no reason to even look into whether fluoridation in drinking water might be a problem because there has clearly been no corollary deleterious effect. So, knowing what it would look like if it was a problem, was enough to know that it isn’t even close enough to warrant checking how close it is. The highest reported extremes of exposure already didn’t cause issue, so there is certainly no cause for concern at normal levels.
The point of it being, that fluoride is, in fact, recognized to be a neurotoxin, so it’s not just people pulling baseless crap out of their asses. There was a time, not long ago, when lead levels in consumer products were believed to be safe.
Lead levels in consumer products are now regulated to the point where they’re negligible in terms of the effects on human health, so lead levels in consumer products are safe. We know the toxic level of fluoride; an adult would basically have to eat 2+ full tubes of toothpaste (which has more fluoride than tap water) to die and so your concern is out of proportion to the actual level of risk.
This is not true. To elaborate on what the other person who replied said… there is no safe level of lead in consumer products because lead accumulates in the body. Also, lots of consumer products still contain lead because there are loopholes. And the regulations any way aren’t that stringent.
Not that I’m agreeing in an away about the paranoia about fluoridation, but there is no known safe level of lead. Lead concentration is regulated, but whatever the thresholds are, they aren’t based on “safe” levels, just acceptable levels.
https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/lead-poison-and-children-no-amount-lead-safe
The paper does not recognize fluoride as a neurotoxin in its current application in Europe:
Overall, despite the remaining uncertainties, and based on the totality of evidence the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be considered as a human developmental neurotoxicant at current exposure levels in European countries.
Those concerns are for unrealistically high doses though. The last sentence of the abstract you linked:
In conclusion, based on the totality of currently available scientific evidence, the present review does not support the presumption that fluoride should be assessed as a human developmental neurotoxicant at the current exposure levels in Europe.
Calling concerns about the safety of fluoridated water “founded” is a bit of a stretch.
A Pynchon-level conspiracy. I suspect we’ll be seeing some more dentist-on-trampoline accidents.
“Immediately” means a tweet or Truth Social post by Trump that is so vague no one under him knows exactly what they’re supposed to do to enact his order.
And then right back to Day 1 dictatorial stuff like imprisoning political opponents and the press.
The crackpots turned out to be right. There is a measurable effect on IQ in areas that fluoridate vs those that don’t.
Additionally, from what I’ve read there doesn’t seem to be a noticeable health benefit.
I think it has a lot to do with how our nutrition and dental care has improved in many ways since they decided adding fluoride to water would benefit people.
It is one point I will give to the conspirturds and nutcases, but a small point. None of this is critical or dire, the effects are marginal and nobody is going to really notice a difference whatever happens. I wish they could have been this concerned about people’s health and well-being when we were you know… being ravaged by an actual lethal virus that was killing millions and is still active and harming people every day.
Did you do your own research on google?
Dude. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/ger.12294 (and many other) actual research paper and meta analysis are saying you’re wrong.
The real issues! /s
Is fluoride the new Frog-engayening agent? 🐸
Flouride makes teeth white. White light passing through a prism makes a rainbow. Therefore, fluoride makes my teeth gay.
Wait what? Oh, for a second I thought he was going to remove Florida.
Reasonable confusion!
Ignore that buzzing noise.
It’s just the sound of 200,000 dentists rubbing their hands together at the thought of all the extra money they’re going to make.
A lot of people don’t drink tap water so I don’t think there would be much of a surge
The vast majority of Americans drink tap water.
What fucking year is this? And while he’s at it, that horses’s ass can get tinfoil hats into circulation to protect against <dumb old ass boomer conspiracy theory bullshit>
God damn it, will all these fossils with their lead poisoned brains just die already?
I used to respect the hell outta my boss. Chief engineer, man can fix and diagnose just about anything. Then he started talking about this guy and how great he is… Like how can someone be so smart yet so so dumb? How can you not apply the same critical thinking into politics as you do into your work? Where does the disconnect come in?
Let’s bring back leaded gasoline and asbestos too!!
Don’t we have real problems to solve? Why are Republicans always making up new shit?
Fluoride laced water IS a problem that is currently being debated about. Stop being ignorant.
People like you are the reason I want a forum that makes you read the articles before you can comment on them.
Fluoride laced water
Lmfaoooo
is currently being debated about
Yeah, being debated by fucking morons lol
Mad because you have no argument? Cry about it lol. Facts are facts, and it looks like mods don’t like it.
Facts are facts
And morons are morons. Simply saying doesn’t make it so.
You also presented no argument and no facts, and you’re agree the guy who had fucking brain worms on medical advice, so kudos to you!
More like rehashing old shit. Vaccines are pretty settled science as well.
Mental health.
Distraction 101. If we’re too busy fighting about stuff like this, we won’t come after them for the stuff they absolutely do not want to address. More often than not, the other side doesn’t really want to do the hard work either, so it’s easy to just fight with them about the meaningless shit and get credit for being the reasonable ones. Meanwhile the homeless camps get larger, the health care gets more expensive, the one income family with a pension for retirement becomes a two income family juggling multiple part time jobs with no benefits, higher education becomes something that traps you in a lifetime of loan debt, and we spend billions to elect people who will address none of it.
Pick up a fiddle and enjoy the view of Rome.
Sometimes I hope I’ll see a starship Enterprise, but it’s looking more like Bell riots and Eugenics wars for the rest of my lifetime.
Vote blue and punch a nazi whenever you can, be the change you want to see.
Because Democrats tend to agree with reality, so if republicans want to oppose them they must insist that reality isn’t true.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
