Summary
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that a Trump administration would prioritize removing fluoride from public water systems, a position at odds with major health organizations like the CDC, the American Dental Association, and the American Academy of Pediatrics, all of which endorse water fluoridation as safe and beneficial for dental health.
Despite Kennedy’s controversial stance on health and environmental issues, which includes previously debunked claims linking vaccines to autism, Trump has praised his passion, stating that Kennedy would have significant freedom to influence health policy if Trump were elected.
Wait what? Oh, for a second I thought he was going to remove Florida.
Reasonable confusion!
Honestly there have been studies linking fluoride to lower intelligence and there are many studies stating that it doesn’t really make a difference in dental health. If you’re brushing your teeth properly you’ll be fine.
Most of Europe does the put it in their water and they’re fine.
Edit: I say this as someone who absolutely does not want trump or rfk dealing with any of this. Even a broken racist worm ridden clock can be right once in a while
You can find studies saying anything you want if you look. Find a meta-analysis and see what it says about all the studies together.
Yes, high concentrations of anything aren’t good for you. That study found a negative effect at comparatively high levels, but did not quantify any safe level, let alone conclude the safe level is zero.
Our review cannot be used to derive an exposure limit, because the actual exposures of the individual children are not known. Misclassification of children in both high- and low-exposure groups may have occurred if the children were drinking water from other sources (e.g., at school or in the field).
Based on known performance in areas with lower fluoridation (≤1 mg/L), it would suggest there is a safe limit that can improve dental health without neurotoxicity.
Not the lead. The fluoride!
In the universe of bad and crazy things that brain worm addled RFK jr. would do, this is one of the least bad and crazy.
Isn’t this a state and municipality decision?
Personally I am in favor of removing floyride from water. I think it’s stupid.
But I am fine with replacing that with free fluoride toothpaste for children.
Either way that is not a federal decision to make.
I think it’s stupid.
Literally why?? It’s one of the most effective things we can do for the vast majority of our population. And every expert thinks it’s a good idea. Some random bozo thinking it’s “stupid” is fucking stupid, but apparently you’re in good company with Kennedy here lol
Did you read the second part of my comment? Just how much water do kids drink these days? How much more effective is using fluoride AND developing good brushing habits?
The latest studies show a rise in flourosis, and a decline in effectiveness since the widespread use of fluoride toothpaste.
It seems crazy to me to add a chemical to water that had no dose control and concentrates upon boiling if there are better options.
Just how much water do kids drink these days?
WTF kind of question/argument is this?
“Kids these days, amirite? They don’t drink any water but thank god they can be trusted to have good brushing habits!”
The latest studies show a rise in flourosis
Along with a decline in having teeth rot and fall out, damn what a tough choice.
a decline in effectiveness since the widespread use of fluoride toothpaste
That isn’t a decline in effectiveness you bozo.
It seems crazy to me to add a chemical to water that had no dose control
You realize we add literal chlorine to water, right? Not some scary chemical with “chloride blah blah blah” in the name, actual chlorine. It only seems crazy to you because you’re making an uninformed opinion based on your gut feeling instead of trusting experts and people who actually studied and work with water treatment plants.
You literally are disagreeing with decades of evidence that it helps populations and especially children, disagreeing with experts in the field, and agreeing with fucking RFK, Jr. Maybe take a second to pause and evaluate whether your initial, uneducated emotional response should have any fucking weight on this decision.
Bozo? So are we having a discussion or what? Do you just want to argue about how you feel and have a slapfight or are you willing to actually discuss this? Uneducated indeed.
Yes, Kids these days. How much water do kids drink? How much TAP water do kids drink?
The latest studies show a rise in flourosis
Along with a decline in having teeth rot and fall out, damn what a tough choice.
Except NO. That is what I am telling you. The studies that have been done have discovered that the effectiveness we saw in the 1950’s is not the same as today. With the rise of Fluoride in toothpaste the differences are negligible.
Do you know the difference between Chlorine and Flouride? Chlorine is an evaporating compound. Don’t want chlorine in your water, let it sit for a day. Boil it.
Fluoride does not evaporate. It concentrates.
You literally are disagreeing with decades of evidence
Nope. I am willing to look at and understand current studies and evidence. Are you?
I hate that this stance appears to agree with RFK Jr. He is an idiot. I said it was a municipality issue, not a federal issue. I said I would support flouride in toothpaste and a program to assist with that. I also can agree that a municipality may find it necessary to fluoridate their water if dental care and oral hygiene is unavailable due to various factors like poverty, remoteness, cost effectiveness etc. But in the end it would ALWAYS be better to prescribe the treatment in measured amounts, instead of adding it to the water. That is why I think it is stupid and we need to move beyond it.
Yes, Kids these days.
Lol what a great discussion and not just arguing about “how you feel”
How much TAP water do kids drink?
What the actual fuck is your point here? All of my friends’ kids drink mostly from the tap, or make food with water from the tap. Do you think children are only drinking cans of soda and Lunchables??
With the rise of Fluoride in toothpaste the differences are negligible
Literally not true, studies still show better outcomes for cities that add fluoride. A Canadian province that doesn’t add fluoride has more cavities and issues than a neighboring province that does.
The mild fluorosis that is “risked” by adding fluoride is such a mild condition compared to teeth loss, weaker adult teeth, and cavities while growing up.
I am willing to look at and understand current studies and evidence
Being willing to understand doesn’t magically convey the ability to understand. You sound like nurses that become anti-vax and think they know more about medicine since they had to memorize unrelated facts and know how to inject a needle.
I said it was a municipality issue, not a federal issue
It already is, fluoridization is not federally mandated. RFK is talking about federally banning it.
a municipality may find it necessary to fluoridate their water if dental care and oral hygiene is unavailable due to various factors like poverty, remoteness, cost effectiveness etc. But in the end it would ALWAYS be better to prescribe the treatment in measured amounts, instead of adding it to the water.
So you agree it’s better to add it to the water until literally every person in the US has health/dental care and free fluoride treatments? I hope you’re arguing for those, too, instead of just whining about how some utopian alternative that we are nowhere near to having would be better.
So explain to me how Denmark has the best DMFT index score (decayed, missing, or filled teeth), yet they do not add fluoride to their water.
Or Kuopio Finland, that was the only city in Finland that fluoridated then stopped.
This study indicates that, among children and adolescents whose permanent teeth erupted in the mid-1970s or thereafter, even a longitudinal approach did not reveal a lower caries occurrence in the fluoridated than in the low-fluoride reference community. The main reason for the modest effect of water fluoridation in Finnish circumstances is probably the widespread use of other measures for caries prevention. The children have been exposed to such intense efforts to increase tooth resistance that the effect of water fluoridation does not show up any more.
Again, better health care, better outcomes. Putting a poison that becomes a random dose depending on age, consumption, and concentration into water is stupid. You wont change my mind. It may be a necessary evil to get to better care, but we should be able to stop doing that.
And yes, I don’t know any kids who actually are willing to drink tap water anymore. Its all bottled, brita, or filtered these days.
Your response to me saying that adding fluoride is best until the US has complete and free dental healthcare was to mention two European countries with with better healthcare than the US. So I’ll repeat myself since you can’t read:
So you agree it’s better to add it to the water until literally every person in the US has health/dental care and free fluoride treatments?
If you live in the US then it should be obvious what will provide the best outcomes, since those other measures aren’t in fucking place here.
Putting a poison
It’s not a poison, this type of bullshit fear-mongering just highlights how hollow your arguments are. You’re arguing that the delivery method of fluoride is wrong, and then you call it a poison. Stop taking cues from anti-vaxxers.
It may be a necessary evil
It’s not an evil, just because there’s a hypothetical better way doesn’t mean this way is bad. It provably doesn’t have worse outcomes! How the fuck can it be evil? All your links just show it has “negligible effects” if fluoride is provided another way, none of them show negative effects.
And yes, I don’t know any kids who actually are willing to drink tap water anymore
Than you either don’t live in America or you live in a much more well-off area then me. Over half of Americans drink tap water, and more than that cook with the water.
brita, or filtered these days
Brita and other filters don’t remove fluoride from water, so drinking filtered tap water doesn’t affect adding fluoride to the water.
What fucking year is this? And while he’s at it, that horses’s ass can get tinfoil hats into circulation to protect against <dumb old ass boomer conspiracy theory bullshit>
God damn it, will all these fossils with their lead poisoned brains just die already?
I used to respect the hell outta my boss. Chief engineer, man can fix and diagnose just about anything. Then he started talking about this guy and how great he is… Like how can someone be so smart yet so so dumb? How can you not apply the same critical thinking into politics as you do into your work? Where does the disconnect come in?
Don’t we have real problems to solve? Why are Republicans always making up new shit?
Fluoride laced water IS a problem that is currently being debated about. Stop being ignorant.
Fluoride laced water
Lmfaoooo
is currently being debated about
Yeah, being debated by fucking morons lol
Mad because you have no argument? Cry about it lol. Facts are facts, and it looks like mods don’t like it.
Facts are facts
And morons are morons. Simply saying doesn’t make it so.
You also presented no argument and no facts, and you’re agree the guy who had fucking brain worms on medical advice, so kudos to you!
People like you are the reason I want a forum that makes you read the articles before you can comment on them.
More like rehashing old shit. Vaccines are pretty settled science as well.
Mental health.
Distraction 101. If we’re too busy fighting about stuff like this, we won’t come after them for the stuff they absolutely do not want to address. More often than not, the other side doesn’t really want to do the hard work either, so it’s easy to just fight with them about the meaningless shit and get credit for being the reasonable ones. Meanwhile the homeless camps get larger, the health care gets more expensive, the one income family with a pension for retirement becomes a two income family juggling multiple part time jobs with no benefits, higher education becomes something that traps you in a lifetime of loan debt, and we spend billions to elect people who will address none of it.
Pick up a fiddle and enjoy the view of Rome.
Sometimes I hope I’ll see a starship Enterprise, but it’s looking more like Bell riots and Eugenics wars for the rest of my lifetime.
Vote blue and punch a nazi whenever you can, be the change you want to see.
Because Democrats tend to agree with reality, so if republicans want to oppose them they must insist that reality isn’t true.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
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I guess I didn’t need teeth anyway
Let’s bring back leaded gasoline and asbestos too!!
Ah yes, RFKJR, the original cavity creep.
Welp, that explains the parasites.
What year is this? This was a scare back in the 1970.
Un-fortify the wheat now!
/s
That’s about the time the worm ate through his brain and stopped any further thinking.
It already starved to death.
“Precious bodily fluids…”
PRECIOUS
BODILY
FLUIDS!
