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“Own when you lose”? Bitch, we remember Jan 6th. Nevermind Obama.
There is a reason they skipped past Biden and said Obama.
We all rallied behind Clinton.
(I read the Monica Lewinsky thing was only found when they were searching something else desperately trying to find something to impeach him on. Because Nixon was impeached.)
Yep, the Starr report was basically hundreds of pages of mostly legally irrelevant sensationalism, and Republicans charged taxpayers 40 million to make it.
There’s bombing the pharma plant in Sudan that killed 10,000 and an unknown number of downstream people due to lack of medicine, there was the sanctions on Iraq, estimated to have killed 1 million, mostly children, the acceleration of Israeli settlements, dropping cluster bombs on Yugoslavia, etc all right there.
But republicans only issue with those crimes is that Clinton didn’t kill enough foreigners.
Given what I know about the Yugoslav wars I can say with near absolute certainty that using cluster munitions on Yugoslavia (Serbia) was entirely warranted.
No, using cluster munitions is never fucking warranted, the land is still blighted today, 25 years later.
Ill feel sorry for them when the Serbian government stops trying to be little Russia. Until then I will propose that they deserve an increase in munitions saturation.
Unexploded cluster munitions don’t target Serbian politicians, they tend to hurt children more frequently than anyone else.
This is why it’s almost universally agreed that weapons that don’t discriminate between soldiers and civilians and continue killing long after a conflict has ended are a special kind of evil and a crime to use even in war.
The other reason being that less precise weapons just aren’t as effective at actually destroying military targets.
I live on the opposite side of the world and even I remember when Obama wore a fucking tan suit once more than 10 years ago because Republicans threw such a big tantrum over it.
But what about that elitist Dijon mustard he put on his hamburger? That was a real travesty.
Or the time he served too many peas at dinner?
The terrorist fist jab
Telling a voter that to help climate change at a very small individual level they could make sure their car tire PSI is up to the recommended level.
Then Republicans said that that was “Obama’s foreign policy”.
Or how about when they pretended “lipstick on a pig” was a slight to Palin?
Or how about when they forced him to reaffirm “In God We Trust” on the money.
Or how about Michelle Obama just fucking existing and claiming she’s a man.
Fuck all of them.
Her sleeveless dresses practically made all the regressive’s dicks shrivel up and fall off.
How else could republicans attack a guy who deported more people, bombed more countries, and saw the immiseration of more black families than either Bush or Trump? Right-wing democrats are more competent at being republicans than actual republicans.
WE STOOD BEHIND OBAMA??? BITCH, TURTLE MCFUCKFACE SAID, AS SOON AS OBAMA WAS ELECTED, THAT HIS #1 PRIORITY WAS ENSURING OBAMA DIDN’T GET A SECOND TERM!!
I tried to be patriotic and accept him as president in 2016 until it was quickly obvious that he is a traitor to his country.
“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country.”
–Teddy Roosevelt
Every true patriot should stand opposed to trump.
Agreed. And against Biden too.
We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration. So yeah, that’s not really a thing.
We should all get behind the sitting president regardless of party, but I don’t think that has ever happened…
I’m not honestly sure that we should. Sometimes supporting and wanting what’s best for the country means earnestly hoping the president utterly fails.
I sincerely hope this trump administration accomplishes less than they did last time, ideally nothing.
Why? The Trump administration will do good and bad things, and I hope they succeed at the good things (e.g. cutting waste) and fail at the bad things (e.g. cutting important services).
Show them the American people are more than partisan hacks, and maybe they’ll start pretending they’re not partisan hacks.
Horseshit. They are not being honest about clearing government waste. Any talk of reducing government spending without significant cuts to the military is a fable.
Any minor good things they do will be completely overshadowed by the pilfering of the country for a select few.
I want what’s best for the country, specifically the people in it, and the world as a whole.
I hope that trump fails because his stated objectives are abhorrent to common decency, fiscal prudence, and functional governance.What he calls waste I don’t believe for a second is actually waste. He has done nothing to earn my trust in that or any other regard, and so I don’t. Certainly not enough to trust them with something as broad as “waste”, if the fools who think that any scientific research they don’t see the point of is “waste” like so many of the examples have been.
Listening and judging a politician based on their words and actions isn’t being “partisan”. The electorate can’t even be “partisan hacks”, they’re the one’s whose interests and opinions are supposed to be being represented.
It’s not up to the American people to live up to the expectations of politicians. It’s literally a politicians entire job to live up to ours, and do things that benefit us. If the politicians goal is contrary to that end, I hope they fail.
I’m not gonna wish someone who wants to harm me, my family and my friends luck just so that they might not want to in the future. They need to earn my trust, not the other way around.If they do nothing for four years and things remain exactly the same as today, I’ll count that as a win. If they yell “psych!” and actually do something good I’ll eat a hat.
What he calls waste I don’t believe for a second is actually waste
I don’t know what he considers waste, but there’s a ton of obvious waste, such as military suppliers (also goes for many government suppliers). I obviously haven’t pored over government financials, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we could find tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars of waste by looking for things like this.
That said, what will probably end up happening is that they’ll use it to gut services that are politically inconvenient (e.g. CDC) instead of cutting actual waste. But I’ll hold out hope, because I literally can’t control it anyway and I prefer hope to despair.
The electorate can’t even be “partisan hacks”, they’re the one’s whose interests and opinions are supposed to be being represented.
I take it you haven’t spent much time on social media then… So many people have knee-jerk reactions to things due to their party affiliation instead of the actual facts. Positive things about Biden/Harris get posted on Lemmy and Reddit, and negative things tend to get ignored (inverse is true for Trump).
People like slanting their view of events when it fits their own internal narrative, instead of objectively looking at the facts. That is what I mean by the electorate being “partisan hacks.”
It’s not up to the American people to live up to the expectations of politicians
Sure, but it’s also up to the American people to inform politicians when they are or are not living up to expectations. If they only get negative feedback from those outside their party and positive feedback from those within it, they’ll continue doing things that benefit their party over society as a whole. If members of the opposition party actually applauded when they did something good, maybe they’d do more of that thing. But if all we get is negativity and obstructionism (and yes, that happens on both sides of the aisle), we’ll just get more partisan hackery.
I’m calling for a shift in the public discourse on social media toward constructive feedback instead of partisan nonsense. We can’t change what the big media orgs do, but we can choose what we do and who we support.
I don’t know what he considers waste, but there’s a ton of obvious waste, such as military suppliers
That’s likely an accounting quirk you linked: if they list 9 screws and a tank for $1M but don’t specify individual prices, in some situations they just approximate it by assuming they cost the average - so they assume the tank costs $100k and each screw costs $100k each.
Perhaps.
I worked at a company that sold equipment to the military, and almost all of our military sales happened near the end of the year. They wanted their own SKU with guaranteed compatibility for their software, so we charged them extra for it (to be fair, maintaining compatibility did take extra dev work). They never seemed to push back on pricing, unlike our commercial customers who kept clamoring for lower SKUs with a lower cost.
Due to that experience, I highly doubt government agencies are getting anywhere near the best price. And why should they care? It’s not like they get a bonus for spending less, but they do risk cuts if they spend less. With no reason beyond obligation to keep costs down, I could absolutely believe each agency could cut about 10% by just being more careful about expenses, some more, some less. With yearly spending of ~$7T, $500B is actually rounding down from that estimate.
It’s not necessarily because of expensive toilets, but I do know companies overcharge the government because they can. We did it to an extent, and I think we were one of the better actors because my boss’s (the CEO) dream has always been to supply our military, and that’s basically the entire reason he created the company (we only sold commercially when military sales dried up due to spending cuts in that dept). We later hired a vet just to get our foot back in the door despite booming commercial sales.
We were still talking about Obama’s birth certificate years after inauguration.
Was Trump himself not one of the biggest pushers of that bullshit? I seem to remember him using it as part of his campaign when he wasn’t even running against Obama.
You’re absolutely correct. For the longest time, Trump was known as the birther guy because he was constantly making ludicrous, racist, nonsensical claims about it.
Yes, we absolutely have to own when we lose, and we have no finer example of this than MAGA on January 6th, 2021 CE. Because fuck me if that wasn’t an inspirational display of accepting the loss of the presidential election to the democrats. Truly a historic moment for decency, courteousness, virtuousness, stoicism, gallantry, and the actual definition of honor among Americans.
Better believe I make my nieces and nephews watch my VHS tape of that day every year on its anniversary.
Wait, what?
They actually have the gall to say they stood behind Obama?
Obama’s presidency was the exact point at which toxicity and hate became the overt centerpieces of Republican identity - when they stopped even pretending to be motivated by “fiscal conservatism” and instead gave themselves up entirely to just sowing division and spewing hatred.
Hell - virtually the first thing they did was co-opt the formerly libertarian Tea Party movement, which started out, under Bush, as a series of protests against the Wall Street bailouts - and converted it into a traveling right- wing carnival of hate. That became the entire point of it - after the Republicans took it over, the bailouts were never even mentioned again - all it was was an opportunity for right-wingers to congratulate themselves on how much they hated the left, and especially how much they hated Obama.
It’s not too much of a stretch to say that everything MAGA has become - all of the division and all of the hatred and all of the lies - traces back specifically to how the hateful bigots among the Republicans reacted to Obama’s presidency and the influence they came to hold over the rest of the party.
The tea party was astroturfed and was their construct from day one, they didn’t coopt it.
astroturfed
Ah, the irony…
This is American, here you respect result on free election. So you don’t, for instance, start a huge riot with the goal of overturning the election, 14 days before the inauguration of the new president, supporting the movement to hang your VP and attacking the US capitol.
FUN FACT literally the 2nd paragraph of the declaration of Independence gives all Americans the right to overthrow the government if it infringes on your rights and implement a government that better respects your rights
(note, depending on the transcription or print it might not even have paragraphs)
The Declaration of Independence doesn’t give Americans any rights, because it’s not part of the Constitution and it’s not law.
Why the fuck is this even being entertained? That’s one of trump’s “lawyer” tv hosts. And she’s talking to some right wing rage bait podcaster. Discussing either of their opinions is fucking useless. And OP’s intention in even posting this is likely just to attempt to legitimize one or both them as part of the general discourse. These are scabs on the otherwise festering asshole that is the gop. Fucking move on.
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This but not even joking. It’s simple self preservation at this point to eradicate them.
Fox News gave Trump the platform to push the “Muslim not born in America BS” do they not remember this?
Did u not no he wuz muslin anticrist? Borned in kinya? Hoosain? Do u forgot?
Do ur gramma not send u this?
Duh!
Wut bout not my present shirt? U not get 1?
Man I wish we could go back and get Bernie. :(
I heard he was actually born in Agrabah!
I heard he was actually a descendent of Jafar.
