I remember my father telling me (probably slightly after my first son was born, great timing indeed!), it would have been a pity to gave birth to someone in this timeline.

Period was around 2010/11, I thought he was just extreme and depressed. Today I can’t really say he was wrong. We western people are just going to see a colossal crash and I feel bad having my kids as a spectator for that.

  • Jeena@piefed.jeena.netEnglish
    5·
    7 days ago

    I think most of history was riddled with wars the short time after WWII until now was a big exception and out exponential exploitation of the natural resources was never sustainable, but that was what was keeping us from going to war. We had the feeling that everyone can be lifted out of poverty, etc. until the billionaires class took it, but I digress.

    We don’t exist for the vast majority of the universes timeline and then we are born and can experience the universe for a blink of an eye. On top if that all the humans who could exist compared to the ones who really start existing and experiencing the universe, it’s nothing short of a miracle that anyone exists at all.

    Damn, it’s difficult to explain what I’m trying to say in a short way, but existing, even in a difficult time is preferable to not existing, at least you have the chance to experience the universe and have the slim chance to make children who then also can do that and get their own and so on and perhaps we will get some breakthrough of free energy or something which will make wars for resources unnecessary in the future like imagined in Star Trek for example.

    Not having children robbs us all including the universe from that future, just because we need a unbroken chain of humans to get there even through the tough times.

    And no, leaving the having children only to billionaires is not an option because then the whole world would consist of entitled assholes and thus is not a way to go to the future.

    Apart from that you can’t know the exact future of your child, it’s not 100℅ sure it will be shit or that they only can thrive in a nice environment but instead can step up to be a leader who will bring us out of the shithole or brings joy and relieve with their work in arts or music, etc.

    I just listened to the podcast A brief history of Bethofen and his live was objectivally terrible, losing his hearing in his 20’s, never finding lasting love, mother dies young, father is a drunk, later Bethofen himself becomes an alcoholic, etc. But his life was still totally worth living even with all the hardships, and he left us such an amazing legace to enjoy for several hundred years already.

    • PotatoLibre@feddit.itOP
      41·
      7 days ago

      Thx for your passionate answer.

      I get your point, but due my actual state of mind I can’t really follow you.

      I feel that having child is a selfish behavior, nobody asked you to do that (except society), universe would be fine either way and probably better if you don’t. We live in a wonderful planet and still we’re destroying it.