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    21 hours ago

    90 million people didn’t vote at all. Trump won with 77 million votes. 13 million more people did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.

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        20 hours ago

        There were 3 million fewer voters than in 2020. This was the most advertised election in US history, and more people sat out.

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          “Didn’t vote” always beats out the votes for either candidate, though. A small downward shift in the numbers is probably the fault of Democrats dividing their own base by endorsing genocide.

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            Yup. According to polls, the number one reason people abstained or voted third-party was Biden/Harris handling of Gaza. It’s either an ignorant or arrogant choice, depending on their awareness of Trump’s sociopathy and unwavering support of Netanyahu.

            It wasn’t a small downward shift though. It was greater than the amount Harris lost by, if you count the increase in third-party votes.

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              I agree. Whether it was ignorance or arrogance, the Democrats are entirely responsible for driving so many people away from the polls and squandering what could otherwise have been a shoe-in for Harris.

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                Or dumbasses are responsible for the fascist takeover here.

                Dems aren’t great but it you couldn’t be convinced to vote here it’s not on them.

                But yeah, keep making excuses for lazy people not doing their civic duty. It’s working out great.

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                  “it’s not the candidates job to convince people to vote for them” is a wild take.

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                    When it comes to the left, which now has the bar set at, “does not tolerare genocide”, the Democrats cannot fail, they can only be failed.

                    You’re welcome for the civics lesson, citizen. Don’t forget to buy war bonds!

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                    19 hours ago

                    It’s also a wild take that nonvoters aren’t responsible for this fascist takeover. As if you needed more convincing somehow.

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                  You’ve got that precisely backwards.

                  It is not the job of voters to vote correctly, it’s the party’s job to convince the voting population that they are worth voting for.

                  The Republicans are really effective at this because they can lie and cheat and overpromise on anything and their base will love them for it. Democrats are remarkably ineffective because they can’t promise anything that might raise taxes on their campaign financiers.

                  If you want the Democrats to stop losing, then they need to fear losing your vote more than they fear offending billionaires. The only way to do that is to threaten to withhold your vote.

                  And it’s working! AOC and Bernie’s rally tours have more people excited about the Democrats than there have been since Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC kicked Bernie out of the 2016 primary. AOC is a front-runner for the 2028 election, the campaign for which appears to have already started.

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                    I agree with everything except the “it’s working!” part. Unfortunately, Bernie and AOC are very much insiders that prioritize their capitalist party over common people. They go to bat for their “backstabbers” every time, they tell you to support Biden and then Harris, they shy away from the word “genocide” while voting to materially support one. The function of the Bernie-AOC tour is to keep the disillusioned from leaving the party behind. Which is what is actually needed to fight fascism. We already have civic fascism, we export the worst effects of it to other countries. It’s just making a little visit home and there’s a risk people will understand this violence as a normalcy of the system and that we must organize ourselves against it rather than just spend 30 minures every four years for a certain flavor if genocidal racist.

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                    Yeah it’s working! Everything is burning down. It’s great!

                    But Im sure people like you think we can just undo all this calamity in a few years huh?

                    Reality is this current backwards turn won’t be fixed in our lives, let alone progressing forward. Dumbest fucking gamble ever.

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              Only an American could describe opposition to genocide as “ignorant or arrogant”

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                Hey now, that’s not fair.

                Israelis and Boers would say that, too. And some Germans, still, believe it or not.

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                There was no opposition to genocide. That would be the ignorant justification.

                The choice was between genocide, and genocide with fascism. Knowing that, and choosing to do nothing so you feel better, is arrogant.

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                  There was no opposition to genocide.

                  I know people with disabilities caused by police responses to our fight against genocide.

                  Genocide apologist, beg for forgiveness.

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                  There was no opposition to genocide

                  Like hell there wasn’t. Don’t project your own lack of morality onto everyone else.

                  The choice was between genocide, and genocide and fascism

                  Yeah, nothing fascist about exterminating an entire race in order to expand an authoritarian ethnostate…

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                    There are two parties that can with a US presidential election. The choices were bad or worse for Palestinians. Voting for anyone other than bad, is permitting worse to take office.

                    Welcome to first past the post. It’s a civic duty, not a representation of who you are. Is it fair? Fuck no. That’s how it works for now, and the West Bank will be a billionaire resort thanks to people’s “higher morals.” Way to go. Hope they sleep better at night. The Palestinians sure won’t.

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      Those 90 million people are more correct about the nature of US electoral politics than any Dem voter.