• Golfnbrew@lemmy.world
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    17 hours ago

    Democrats certainly have flaws, but focusing on them during an election of such consequence resulted in Trump. And so being “right” was worth it???

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      16 hours ago

      Trump is a consequence of decades of lesser evilism and rightward ratcheting

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          10 hours ago

          If you’d developed class consciousness, you’d understand why neither party enacts progressive policies despite their popularity. Previously:

          The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy

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            15 hours ago

            Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.

            Thing is- I WANT progressive policy. But acting as if there is some big majority that’s just waiting for the perfect candidate is foolish. Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.

            Inconvenient truth for progressives.

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              Progressives either need to win more races or just stfu already. It’s always somehow everyone else’s fault.

              📽️

              Either it’s not popular or people are LAZY just like I stated before and need to be shamed into voting regardless.

              Lol. Yeah, it’s a good thing we live in a Just World.

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          The capitalist party that writes its own rules and does not adopt literally any positions via bottom-up mechanism? No, nobody can take it over except other capitalists. So in a sense you are correct, as US progressives are still fundamentally of the political ideology of capitalism.

          The party works against you but, ironically, convinces you to help it for your own and others’ interests. Instead, we must work together against capital if we want liberation and justice.

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      14 hours ago

      Leftists are not liberals. The things that matter to leftists are different than the things that matter to liberals. We have different goals. The things liberals advocate for do not move us towards our goals. We have no reason to support you.

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        And yet many of us leftists are still calling you out. If anyone needs any more evidence of this, look up who voted for her the most. Black people, particularly black women, Jewish people, and the LGBTQ+ community. Now, who wants to guess which groups have been the loudest voices against capitalism in the US? Who has been the most politically active?

        Its generally been us in the communities who are going to die.

        But if these communities tend to be liberals then I will gladly be a communist liberal.

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            Lol If leftism is telling the groups who have historically been at the forefront of everything, including fighting against capitalism, that they need to shut up cause theyre just liberals, then I love liberals.

            If liberalism is worrying about the communities who get harmed the most, then Im a liberal

            But Im so glad to have seen over this last year that leftistism is apperantly thinking of us the same way Republicans do.

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              I didn’t realise I was talking to the incarnate avatar of “marginalised community”. Are Palestinians included in your metaphysical essence?

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          I will gladly be a communist liberal.

          It is impossible to be a communist/anarchist/socialist/leftist liberal, because communism/anarchism/socialism/leftism are diametrically opposed to liberalism.

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      16 hours ago

      The same Democrats that barely won the previous election by telling people not to focus on them but Trump. Imagine funding the murder of kids, ignoring the housing crisis & then thinking you could just pull out the previous playbook with a dementia patient, then anointing Kamala Cheney at the last minute.

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        It also still almost worked. This is how subservient and propagandized the US political electorate is. The idea of supporting mass murdering children was only a dealbreaker for a small minority, but enough to do most of the work in tipping the scales.

        Kamala probably would’ve won with false promises to end “the war”, some token Arab speakers, and “I see you and hear you” pandering.