And now do some basic Google Foo and find out what is manufactured in Taiwan. If China gets it’s way, because Trump things Xi is cool and he’s a good guy, China will just waltz in - TSMC, ASML and Trumpf have some safeguards in place as far as I know to destroy anything valuable. So while you might want to buy shit, you can’t because the Cheeto and his cronies collapsed it.
That would in long term be good. I’m serious. Keeping all your eggs in one basket is bad, and other than that - said one basket may, for example, not scale production fast enough so to keep profits, that’s basic supply and demand and that’s what oil producers do too.
Short term, though, would be similar to a collapse of civilization.
Short term, though, would be similar to a collapse of civilization.
Would it? Civilization doesn’t depend on bleeding edge high tech. Sure, it depends on tech, but look around who’s making ICs or basic processors that are in machine control panels and all the millions of appliances.
AMD, Intel, Qualcomm, Broadcom do the “heavy lifting” in terms of monetary value, but in overall quantity? Samsung, SK Hynix, STMicroelectronics, Infineon, Sony, Renesas and NXP are the ones that make the world go round. Infineon is German, NXP is Dutch, Renesas is Japanese, STMicroelectronics is Swiss. The thing that’s really going to hurt is Foxconn, but they are probably global enough to withstand that. There’s also many, many more local players. BOSCH for example has very high capacities for everything up to 80 Nanometers (Pentium 3/4, Athlon 64…)
Civilization would crack, sure - but i don’t think it would collapse. Society on the other hand…that’s a different paper.
Society on the other hand…that’s a different paper.
I meant that too. But would actually be interesting, if electronics around us would still be a normal thing, but smartphones changing every year and carelessly used computing power will not. I think it would feel like waking up from a fever dream.
I mean, “change” per se isn’t necessarily something bad. Meaning, stuff needs to last longer (again) in those cases. Planned Obsolescence is a real thing, that’s however only economical as long as raw materials are relatively cheap. But it would be nice if companies just did that change, instead of being forced in to it…
People that can still afford stuff will be so cool. The hippest tech, biggest cars and newest kicks, everything will be uber exclusive. This is good for america because reasons.
If that is truly their plan, they are dumber than we fucking figured.
If a billionaire wants to buy a swimming pool, he needs a considerable amount of other people to be able to afford swimming pools or it it becomes impossible for him to get one at all eventually.
To have a swimming pool, there needs to be an industry of specialized labororers who can manufacture and install. There has to be electricians who specialize in mixing water and electricity. There has to be people working the factories where the chlorine gets manufactured and bottled.
This is true for every product that billionaires consume. You really gotta think that these people with all this wealth would have people on the payroll pointing this out to them.
Especially because every grift that trump has made, his shoes and the like, were all made internationally. Wonder who will pay for those tarrifs when he does the same?
Thing is all that crap can be stitched together by 12 year olds in Alabama instead of 12 year olds in China.
I don’t think he can really comprehend a chip fabrication plant costing 10 times his entire net worth. He probably thinks that what they make in “Silicon Valley”…
I recently saw gamers nexus’ Intel tour. It was like seeing a sci-fi movie, it’s incredible how advanced the stuff they do is. I also found it incredible how much it takes to build a chip… It takes about 2-3 months from wafer to chip.
After spending 3-4 years building the factory and even more time finding and training staff.
But, sure, tarriff the hell out of things that can’t be made domestically for (optomistacally) half a decade. That’ll certainly make it happen instantly…
I’m sorry, but you people talk about making state-of-the-art chips, while in many cases something like year 1990 will do. It’d be a very ambitious endeavor too, but both realistic and useful.
What they are doing will reduce economic competitiveness of the whole USA, but in terms of incentivizing domestic industries it will work. No miracles, but it will give incentives to what can be done quickly enough. And if we consider that electronics already are cheaper in US than in EU or in Eastern Europe, this won’t be too bad.
I’m not a Trump fan. Just - what these people want to do is not without rational justification in economics. It’s a weird justification, of the kind USSR’s strategy of existence had, but then the reasons USSR failed were not in that part about self-reliance in strategic industries. One can argue it collapsed because it didn’t really achieve that due to administrative inefficiency, as in “went bankrupt”. It was exporting fossil fuels to finance the appearance of domestic heavy industries, which were not profitable. At some point that wasn’t enough money.
people talk about making state-of-the-art chips, while in many cases something like year 1990 will do
It still takes time to spin up a chip fab, even one with 30 year old capabilities.
And, since nobody domestically makes the machinery needed, that too will be subject to the import tarrifs and probable delays caused by the ensuring trade war restrictions.
Not to worry. If gas is a little cheaper while they fill up their tanks at the pump, they’ll be happy to pay [insert car financing company here] exorbitant amounts of money and think they’re winning
And laptops, and phones, and literally every other electronic thing you might want to buy
And now do some basic Google Foo and find out what is manufactured in Taiwan. If China gets it’s way, because Trump things Xi is cool and he’s a good guy, China will just waltz in - TSMC, ASML and Trumpf have some safeguards in place as far as I know to destroy anything valuable. So while you might want to buy shit, you can’t because the Cheeto and his cronies collapsed it.
That would in long term be good. I’m serious. Keeping all your eggs in one basket is bad, and other than that - said one basket may, for example, not scale production fast enough so to keep profits, that’s basic supply and demand and that’s what oil producers do too.
Short term, though, would be similar to a collapse of civilization.
Would it? Civilization doesn’t depend on bleeding edge high tech. Sure, it depends on tech, but look around who’s making ICs or basic processors that are in machine control panels and all the millions of appliances. AMD, Intel, Qualcomm, Broadcom do the “heavy lifting” in terms of monetary value, but in overall quantity? Samsung, SK Hynix, STMicroelectronics, Infineon, Sony, Renesas and NXP are the ones that make the world go round. Infineon is German, NXP is Dutch, Renesas is Japanese, STMicroelectronics is Swiss. The thing that’s really going to hurt is Foxconn, but they are probably global enough to withstand that. There’s also many, many more local players. BOSCH for example has very high capacities for everything up to 80 Nanometers (Pentium 3/4, Athlon 64…)
Civilization would crack, sure - but i don’t think it would collapse. Society on the other hand…that’s a different paper.
I meant that too. But would actually be interesting, if electronics around us would still be a normal thing, but smartphones changing every year and carelessly used computing power will not. I think it would feel like waking up from a fever dream.
I mean, “change” per se isn’t necessarily something bad. Meaning, stuff needs to last longer (again) in those cases. Planned Obsolescence is a real thing, that’s however only economical as long as raw materials are relatively cheap. But it would be nice if companies just did that change, instead of being forced in to it…
Almost everything powered by electricity will have some chinese made components.
People that can still afford stuff will be so cool. The hippest tech, biggest cars and newest kicks, everything will be uber exclusive. This is good for america because reasons.
This is good. Same way forest fires can be good.
But those people thinking they’ll be the elite don’t quite realize how exactly.
If that is truly their plan, they are dumber than we fucking figured.
If a billionaire wants to buy a swimming pool, he needs a considerable amount of other people to be able to afford swimming pools or it it becomes impossible for him to get one at all eventually.
To have a swimming pool, there needs to be an industry of specialized labororers who can manufacture and install. There has to be electricians who specialize in mixing water and electricity. There has to be people working the factories where the chlorine gets manufactured and bottled.
This is true for every product that billionaires consume. You really gotta think that these people with all this wealth would have people on the payroll pointing this out to them.
That is more of a millionaire problem. A billionaire can afford to fly the specialists and the materials in from Europe.
He’s fixing the economy, duh!!!
This will boost the American job market and increase manufacturing ability.
Yes, I cannot wait for America to start making Sony and Nintendo consoles. Well done Mr. Trump!!!
Especially because every grift that trump has made, his shoes and the like, were all made internationally. Wonder who will pay for those tarrifs when he does the same?
Thing is all that crap can be stitched together by 12 year olds in Alabama instead of 12 year olds in China.
I don’t think he can really comprehend a chip fabrication plant costing 10 times his entire net worth. He probably thinks that what they make in “Silicon Valley”…
It won’t be paid from his net worth or from even the government’s budget.
It will, if it happens, be expected to redeem costs based on the demand of the whole USA, which is, ahem, an obscene amount of money.
Anyway, you don’t have to start with something like TSMC. Producing MCs for home appliances is already very cool.
That’s true. For us to compete we just need the same in the US! We just need uhhhh
https://www.tsmc.com/english/aboutTSMC/TSMC_Fabs
Just drag Taiwan into US waters. It’s easy bro.
Sounds like the plot of a Michael Bay movie, I’m sold
I recently saw gamers nexus’ Intel tour. It was like seeing a sci-fi movie, it’s incredible how advanced the stuff they do is. I also found it incredible how much it takes to build a chip… It takes about 2-3 months from wafer to chip.
After spending 3-4 years building the factory and even more time finding and training staff.
But, sure, tarriff the hell out of things that can’t be made domestically for (optomistacally) half a decade. That’ll certainly make it happen instantly…
/fucking morons.
I’m sorry, but you people talk about making state-of-the-art chips, while in many cases something like year 1990 will do. It’d be a very ambitious endeavor too, but both realistic and useful.
What they are doing will reduce economic competitiveness of the whole USA, but in terms of incentivizing domestic industries it will work. No miracles, but it will give incentives to what can be done quickly enough. And if we consider that electronics already are cheaper in US than in EU or in Eastern Europe, this won’t be too bad.
I’m not a Trump fan. Just - what these people want to do is not without rational justification in economics. It’s a weird justification, of the kind USSR’s strategy of existence had, but then the reasons USSR failed were not in that part about self-reliance in strategic industries. One can argue it collapsed because it didn’t really achieve that due to administrative inefficiency, as in “went bankrupt”. It was exporting fossil fuels to finance the appearance of domestic heavy industries, which were not profitable. At some point that wasn’t enough money.
It still takes time to spin up a chip fab, even one with 30 year old capabilities.
And, since nobody domestically makes the machinery needed, that too will be subject to the import tarrifs and probable delays caused by the ensuring trade war restrictions.
People with lifted pickup trucks can now go into even more debt, so they can flex on the “poors” (while complaining about their “economic anxiety”).
Not to worry. If gas is a little cheaper while they fill up their tanks at the pump, they’ll be happy to pay [insert car financing company here] exorbitant amounts of money and think they’re winning
Leopards will be the same price, though.
Faces will be cheap though, there are plenty of those to go around for the next few years
Dr Victor Frankenstein will be thrilled!
And Dr. Lecter.
Supply and demand. It’s the economy, stupid.