Generally agree but nr 4 pushes the stigma aspect. You should not be needing to take mental health medication every day just because you need to slave for some rich dick.
If you are free of stressing components like a toxic workplace, toxic friends, social pressure and alienation and still feel like you need chemical help and/or you literally have hallucinations, then you should medicate. Currently the vast majority is medicating (anecdotal) to cope with the shithole we live in.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Medication can be overprescribed but that should not outweigh the benefits it brings to very many people. It should definitely be part of an ongoing treatment and conversation , which I know doesn’t always happen. I’ve never hallucinated, and I may need less if things were better, but to say its primary use is a just a side effect of our society feels needlessly and harmfully reductive to me
Thats not what I said but okay. I even put a marker on my text that it was anecdotal. Cant help there I think.
A LOT of people suffer from society and the pile of shit we’re turning the world into. A LOT of people who do suffer dont even understand they do. And of course some people have no other choice but my point was that a lot (in my experience) dont even entertain the thought.
I medicate because otherwise I’d get nothing done. And that’s not just work related, I mean my own personal projects and hobbies.
I used to think I could get by without, but as I turned 30 and was still procrastinating 90% of my free time away despite me desperately wanting to do something and that in turn also affecting my personal relationships. I needed to go sell help for medication. Even though I wasn’t hallucinating.
You could also look at it like, you were conditioned to think that procrastinating/being unproductive is a bad thing. In the end, it could be that the things you do while procrastinating are the things you actually want, and the other stuff is just stuff that you think you’re supposed to do.
Of course, you know yourself best. But for me, once I started seeing the procrastination activities as the actual activities I want to do, I really just stopped doing most of the other stuff, and now I’m entirely unproductive, not doing anything much, and I’m the happiest I’ve ever been.
Nah i have loads of things i want to do do, personal programming projects, woodworking, DIY but instead I would just watch YouTube and play games because they were easier
In the end, it could be that the things you do while procrastinating are the things you actually want, and the other stuff is just stuff that you think you’re supposed to do.
It depends very heavily on what one does while procrastinating and whether I feel like I am avoiding doing the thing that I want/should be doing and how I feel about it afterwards. If I choose to play games instead of cleaning, that doesn’t even feel like procrastination for me, it was just choosing something else.
But if I’m choosing something else just to avoid doing the other thing then it feels like procrastination. Right now I’m procrastinating by making this post instead of replying to something I don’t want to deal with. That is different than when I choose to browse and post instead of cleaning if I just feel like browsing more than cleaning. That’s just prioritizing.
Ugh, I should really stop procrastinating and deal with that other thing. Maybe I’ll procrastinate some more by cleaning instead of dealing with that thing…
The problem gets worse as more and more people overreact to a misunderstanding. I did take care of it shortly after posting.
If the thing I am avoiding doesn’t have negative consequences then I don’t feel like avoiding it is procrastination, just choosing something else. That is the difference for me.
For example, avoiding cleaning is only procrastination if there is a negative consequence like mold buildup or it causes issues my sinuses to have a fit from excess dust. Or if being disorganized hinders my ability to do the things I want. For me, procrastination isn’t defined by someone else.
I genereally agree, but I feel some nuance is missing: That is assuming a “harmful” environment is total toxicity and something you can just leave with no ill effects.
Sometimes the environment that hurts you is normal-ish and even “nice”, but you personally are sensitive to some aspects of it, making it exhausting. It gives you purpose and happiness and you may not want to leave it.
Sometimes you have to stick to a harsh job because you have responsibilities. I’d rather take reasonably harmless medicine like melatonin and beta blockers to reduce the effects of stress and have a fulfilling life raising and supporting my kids, than saying “Work and life makes dad sad. I need to move to Spain and be a bartender at a beach. Sorry kids, I’m sure someone will find you a foster home bye.”
Generally agree but nr 4 pushes the stigma aspect. You should not be needing to take mental health medication every day just because you need to slave for some rich dick.
If you are free of stressing components like a toxic workplace, toxic friends, social pressure and alienation and still feel like you need chemical help and/or you literally have hallucinations, then you should medicate. Currently the vast majority is medicating (anecdotal) to cope with the shithole we live in.
I disagree wholeheartedly. Medication can be overprescribed but that should not outweigh the benefits it brings to very many people. It should definitely be part of an ongoing treatment and conversation , which I know doesn’t always happen. I’ve never hallucinated, and I may need less if things were better, but to say its primary use is a just a side effect of our society feels needlessly and harmfully reductive to me
Thats not what I said but okay. I even put a marker on my text that it was anecdotal. Cant help there I think.
A LOT of people suffer from society and the pile of shit we’re turning the world into. A LOT of people who do suffer dont even understand they do. And of course some people have no other choice but my point was that a lot (in my experience) dont even entertain the thought.
I medicate because otherwise I’d get nothing done. And that’s not just work related, I mean my own personal projects and hobbies.
I used to think I could get by without, but as I turned 30 and was still procrastinating 90% of my free time away despite me desperately wanting to do something and that in turn also affecting my personal relationships. I needed to go sell help for medication. Even though I wasn’t hallucinating.
And thats totally fine. I didnt say dont use medication. I said stop the stigma.
Fair
You could also look at it like, you were conditioned to think that procrastinating/being unproductive is a bad thing. In the end, it could be that the things you do while procrastinating are the things you actually want, and the other stuff is just stuff that you think you’re supposed to do.
Of course, you know yourself best. But for me, once I started seeing the procrastination activities as the actual activities I want to do, I really just stopped doing most of the other stuff, and now I’m entirely unproductive, not doing anything much, and I’m the happiest I’ve ever been.
Nah i have loads of things i want to do do, personal programming projects, woodworking, DIY but instead I would just watch YouTube and play games because they were easier
It depends very heavily on what one does while procrastinating and whether I feel like I am avoiding doing the thing that I want/should be doing and how I feel about it afterwards. If I choose to play games instead of cleaning, that doesn’t even feel like procrastination for me, it was just choosing something else.
But if I’m choosing something else just to avoid doing the other thing then it feels like procrastination. Right now I’m procrastinating by making this post instead of replying to something I don’t want to deal with. That is different than when I choose to browse and post instead of cleaning if I just feel like browsing more than cleaning. That’s just prioritizing.
Ugh, I should really stop procrastinating and deal with that other thing. Maybe I’ll procrastinate some more by cleaning instead of dealing with that thing…
True. What happens if you don’t do the other thing you’re avoiding right now?
The problem gets worse as more and more people overreact to a misunderstanding. I did take care of it shortly after posting.
If the thing I am avoiding doesn’t have negative consequences then I don’t feel like avoiding it is procrastination, just choosing something else. That is the difference for me.
For example, avoiding cleaning is only procrastination if there is a negative consequence like mold buildup or it causes issues my sinuses to have a fit from excess dust. Or if being disorganized hinders my ability to do the things I want. For me, procrastination isn’t defined by someone else.
I genereally agree, but I feel some nuance is missing: That is assuming a “harmful” environment is total toxicity and something you can just leave with no ill effects.
Sometimes the environment that hurts you is normal-ish and even “nice”, but you personally are sensitive to some aspects of it, making it exhausting. It gives you purpose and happiness and you may not want to leave it.
Sometimes you have to stick to a harsh job because you have responsibilities. I’d rather take reasonably harmless medicine like melatonin and beta blockers to reduce the effects of stress and have a fulfilling life raising and supporting my kids, than saying “Work and life makes dad sad. I need to move to Spain and be a bartender at a beach. Sorry kids, I’m sure someone will find you a foster home bye.”
Sure, nuance all day. I agree that i havent pointed out every aspect but as you said, the general point is valid.
Sounds like daddy needs a workers revolution.
That was essentially my point.