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TONY STARK WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS, ELON.
IN A CAVE YOU FUCKING INBRED. A CAVE!!!
someone tell ellen about beyond visual range
Easy. Just build a giant ball of telescopes and ban water
MY LENS IS DIRTY REEEeee oh wait I found alcohol.
Elon Denegerate
Watch as he dances under every low bar
Guy whose cars run into stopped fire trucks thinks he’s an expert on computer vision.
But was it a “stealthy” fire truck??
Yes, but the car only had enough low-light cameras but not enough rudimentary AI
It is especially important to understand that Tesla’s struggles with navigation are entirely a result of Elon refusing to equip them with LiDAR. This isn’t some “The tech is really new and really complicated and we’re still figuring it out” problem. There is a very good solution to most collision avoidance scenarios, but Elon refuses to let them use it because he’s an idiot.
Someone died because one of those cars thought the broadside of a white semi trailer was the sky and drove under it
I thought it mistook the semi that was crossing a divided highway as an overpass and attempted to drive under it?
This is exactly how Ed Truck died. His capa was detated from his head.
Speaking of fire trucks has anyone here ever read the emergency response procedures for teslas in severe accidents? When I was a volunteer we gave it a look over.
If I remember right, Depending on the model they recommend 8000 gallons (~30k liters) to keep an overheating battery’s temp stable. I’ll link a pdf here.
Our engine holds 700 gallons (5.2k liters) and the typical tanker in our area holds 2000 (7.5k liters)
That’s a house fire level response for a single electric vehicle. Just getting that much water moved to a scene would be challenging. We have tankers, but how many city departments can move that much water? You don’t see hydrants on highways. The future will be interesting for firefighters
I found a link on how the Austrian fire workeres handle this. The fire is extinguished first, then the remainders of the car are put into a special roll-off container (Abrollbehälter, AB) and driven to a gravel pit, where the container will be flooded with 21000 litres of water.
That’s interesting. Tesla says the cars shouldn’t be submerged but I wonder if there’s any serious consequence if you did?
After this procedure, the car is irreparably damaged, if this was your question.
As far as safety. It is a big battery after all
30,000 liters is 30m^3, which is a back yard swimming pool full of water.
Now imagine a house on fire with a tesla in the garage or multiple vehicle accidents. Now you need that much more
Now imagine having to use 30,000 litres of water for every Tesla/EV on fire while facing extreme drought conditions caused by global warming.
lookin at you Cali
They also sometimes lock people inside and burn them to death.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrified-friends-burned-death-tesla-34087725
Elon Musk is an idiot
In the long term maybe he has a point. In the short term the other guys are often using a radar built in 1985 and displaying to a ray tube.
Yeah, while we are at it. Everything sucks compared to the starship enterprise. You can’t beat photon torpedoes and shields. All current military technology sucks.
Elon Musk’s next idea is to just power everything with fusion. It’s easy! There’s deuterium everywhere!
But also, how far can low light sensitive cameras see into the sky? Maybe a couple miles with some sort of telescopic optics? The F35 can attack from beyond visual range using its 100 mile range radar system.
How big of an area of the sky is that going to cover? And clouds?
Up to the horizon (and actually slightly past due to lensing). The setting sun is a perfect example. Sure, it’s brighter than a single fighter aircraft, but as long as you have double digit individual photons to work with the game hasn’t changed theoretically, and light collection technology is right around perfect at this point.
Continuous cloud cover messes up that calculation pretty good, though. If this kind of system was seriously deployed today we might see pre-WWII tactics and strategies coming back to exploit that. In practice, sensor fusion in all kinds of bands is the name of the game, and what will probably make stealth aircraft obsolete eventually.
Sensor fusion is another F-35 feature. Elon seems to think visible spectrum cameras are all you need. Even if you could capture a couple dozen photos reflected off a fighter jet from miles away, how could you reasonably know it’s speed, distance, and location like you get with radar?
Bro forgor about IFR conditions 💀
Or the curvature of the Earth
Or BVR fights
Mr richest man on earth with tesla and space x doesn’t even have an electric private jet
Send one after him then.
Can’t these things aerosolize you from beyond the fucking horizon? How helpful are those AI powered low light cameras when they’re phase changed by a missile launcher from a hundred miles away?
You’d need a camera network spanning the entire battlefield. And it’d need telephoto lenses at the very least, because stealth fighters are high and small. And it’d need to stay connected after an initial missile exchange.
I don’t buy for a moment that nobody in the Pentagon has thought of this, and explained why it’s not a dealbreaker in a classified report.
Telephoto lenses have a low field of vision. You’d want very high resolution wide angle sensors. Or maybe a combination of the two, where the wide angle cameras spot interesting things for the narrow angle ones to look closer at.
The difference between the two would be like when they went from U2 spy planes to satellite imagery, going from thin strips of visibility to “here’s the hemisphere containing most of Russia”.
The trick being that wide angle and high resolution means very high expense, and probably a lot of power and ruggedness tradeoffs. For a satellite that’s fine, for this application I kind of think a cluster of narrow-view cameras would be way cheaper and more practical.
BVR and over the horizon radar has been around for decades.
He isn’t smart. He’s just a narcissist that lives deep in the warm embrace of Dunning-Kuger
He’s just a dumb attention seeker. Of course he’s gonna shit on the most over-engineered thing in existence. Tho the context of the shitty engineering his companies do makes this even funnier. What a loser.
His fucking obsession with computer vision. He’s so convinced he’s right he forgot that clouds exist… and his cars plow straight into obstacles.
My friend bought a red car specifically so it could be seen by Tesla’s cameras.
I have bad news for him. They can’t see firetrucks reliably.
Also night
And that a plane at altitude is too small for wide field cameras which means scanning the sky with narrow fov detectors.
And F-35s are really fast. By the time you recognize and can target it, it’ll fly behind a cloud or something. So not only do you need to make a really fast rocket w/ vision-based AI integrated, it also needs to be able to detect said plane at great distances, as well as maneuver well enough to see it as it exits clouds and whatnot. That’s a lot more complicated than slapping radar on something with heat tracking at close distances.
this has existed for over 2 decades now btw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroFIRST_PIRATE
Yeah, the “lidar is useless” guy whose cars are consistently crashing into things when visibility is bad is telling us that he can do the same thing with missile targeting systems… Sounds like a great idea
Yeah, well, missiles are supposed to crash into things. The right things? Not his job.
He’s not, otherwise he would know that “low light sensitivity” cameras aren’t “sensitive in low-light conditions” but “with lower than normal light sensitivity”.
In an imaginary world where cameras are way more expensive, he’d absolutely be pushing LiDAR in cars. The metrics he cares about are cost and marketability (cool factor), or money for short.
No no. See guessing objects from flat images is much better than using math and lidar. Especially if you may have a flawed llm model.
Given how advanced our math and knowledge of radar is, it is literally stupid to use them.
See, those, radar, lidar and math give you a 3d objects.
Oh, wait. It is the other way around.
“It a shit design” is rich coming from the guy whos company can’t get panels to line up on a car.
“It’s a shit design” Says the man responsible for this:
For some reason my kids love them, I just don’t see it. It’s unique, I guess…
It’s a simple design, like a boxcar you’d race with your dad at the local boy scouts event. It appeals to children who don’t understand how airflow works and just like seeing big bulky tank like things. To them, it looks like a Tonka toy.
But in the real world, things like fluid dynamics are important.
It also weighs enough that it cant even pull off being decent by being light like old jeeps. Sure they were literally brick shaped but they could be moved by like 4 guys with relative ease.
I don’t have kids, but when I was a kid I loved Spaghetti-Os and that candy that comes in a toothpaste tube but is literally just gelatinous sugar syrup. I probably would’ve loved the cybertruck too.
It’s in fortnite
“laughably easy to take down fighter jets”
yeah all you have to do is ban the kid running the elon jet twitter. Seems easy enough to me.
Nah man, just use AI with night cameras. It’s never cloudy or foggy anyway.
Also… Fighters are fast, the point is you should fire the missile before you see it.
but have you considered that if i can’t see it then it doesn’t exist?
Hmm, that’s a good point, like air, right? Total scam.
The f-35 is built for engagements outside the horizon, like, the target is blocked by the curvature of the earth.
Light sensitive cameras and rudimentary AI…
Pssh, all you need is a gravity lens to bend the light, problem solved!
So we use a black hole to bend space time and look into the past where it isn’t. We know where it isn’t in the past.
