The objections to AI image gens, training sets containing stolen data, etc. all apply to LLMs that provide coding help. AI web crawlers search through git repositories compiling massive training sets of code, to train LLMs.
Art is meant to be an expression of the self and a form of communication. It’s therapeutic, it’s liberating, it’s healthy and good. We make art to make and keep us human. Chatbot art doesn’t help us, and in fact it makes us worse - less human. You’re depriving yourself of enrichment when you use a chatbot for art.
Code is mechanical and functional, not really artistic. I suppose you can make artistic code, but coders aren’t doing that (maybe they should, maybe code should become art, but for now it isn’t and I think that’s a different conversation). They’re just using tools to perform a task. It was always soulless, so nothing is lost.
Art is also functional. Specifically, paid opportunities for art perform some type of function. Not all art is museum type contemplative work or the highest level of self expression. Some art, its purpose is to serve as a banner on the side of a web page notifying people of a new feature. That isn’t really enriching to create. It’s a rather low form of self expression, similar to code created to be functional.
I think you’re also underestimating AI image gens as a form of self expression. Obviously it’s more freeing to be able to draw or paint or create a thing yourself. But people often lack the prerequisite skills to create the thing they have in their mind. I often see career artists compare their work and style from years ago to their works today, showing off extreme improvement - meaning that even talented artists sometimes lack the skills necessary to create the “perfect” version of what they had in their mind.
With LLMs, you can get quite specific - not just “draw me in a Studio Ghibli style,” but meticulously describing a scene and visual style - and it will render it. There is still creative satisfaction in that process, like how a movie director tells the actors how to accomplish a scene but doesn’t actually play a role in the film themselves.
But people often lack the prerequisite skills to create the thing they have in their mind.
And they will always lack those skills if they never practice!
Furthermore, art isn’t just functionally putting creations into the world, it’s also the act of creation. There’s a feeling of creation that comes from creating art, it’s about the journey and not just the destination.
Having a chatbot do it for you isn’t the same.
There is still creative satisfaction in that process, like how a movie director tells the actors how to accomplish a scene but doesn’t actually play a role in the film themselves.
Many actors do not want to be directors, many directors do not want to be actors. Those are just different things.
Even if you want to compare prompting LLMs with directing, that still means that people are deprived of acting. They’re missing out on feeling and experiencing the act of artistic expression by outsourcing it to a chatbot.
“i am fine with stolen labor because it wasn’t mine. My coworkers are falling behind because they have ethics and don’t suck corporate cock but instead understand the value in humanity and life itself.”
Then most likely you will start falling behind… perhaps in two years, as it won’t be as noticable quickly, but there will be an effect in the long term.
This is a myth pushed by the anti-ai crowd. I’m just as invested in my work as ever but I’m now far more efficient. In the professional world we have code reviews and unit tests to avoid mistakes, either from jr devs or hallucinating ai.
“Vibe coding” (which most people here seem to think is the only way) professionally is moronic for anything other than a quick proof of concept. It just doesn’t work.
I use gpt to prototype out some Ansible code. I feel AI slop is just fine for that; and I can keep my brain freer of YAML and Ansible, which saves me from alcoholism and therapy later.
I couldn’t care less about AI art. I use AI in my work every day in dev. The coworkers who are not embracing it are falling behind.
Edit: I keep my AI use and discoveries private, nobody needs to know how long (or little) it took me.
That’s what the OP is about, so…
Has AI made you unable to read?
The objections to AI image gens, training sets containing stolen data, etc. all apply to LLMs that provide coding help. AI web crawlers search through git repositories compiling massive training sets of code, to train LLMs.
Just because I don’t have a personal interest in AI art doesn’t mean I can’t have opinions.
But your opinion is off topic.
It’s all the same… Not sure why you’d have differing opinions between AI for code and AI for art, but please lmk, I’m curious.
Code and art are just different things.
Art is meant to be an expression of the self and a form of communication. It’s therapeutic, it’s liberating, it’s healthy and good. We make art to make and keep us human. Chatbot art doesn’t help us, and in fact it makes us worse - less human. You’re depriving yourself of enrichment when you use a chatbot for art.
Code is mechanical and functional, not really artistic. I suppose you can make artistic code, but coders aren’t doing that (maybe they should, maybe code should become art, but for now it isn’t and I think that’s a different conversation). They’re just using tools to perform a task. It was always soulless, so nothing is lost.
Art is also functional. Specifically, paid opportunities for art perform some type of function. Not all art is museum type contemplative work or the highest level of self expression. Some art, its purpose is to serve as a banner on the side of a web page notifying people of a new feature. That isn’t really enriching to create. It’s a rather low form of self expression, similar to code created to be functional.
I think you’re also underestimating AI image gens as a form of self expression. Obviously it’s more freeing to be able to draw or paint or create a thing yourself. But people often lack the prerequisite skills to create the thing they have in their mind. I often see career artists compare their work and style from years ago to their works today, showing off extreme improvement - meaning that even talented artists sometimes lack the skills necessary to create the “perfect” version of what they had in their mind.
With LLMs, you can get quite specific - not just “draw me in a Studio Ghibli style,” but meticulously describing a scene and visual style - and it will render it. There is still creative satisfaction in that process, like how a movie director tells the actors how to accomplish a scene but doesn’t actually play a role in the film themselves.
And they will always lack those skills if they never practice!
Furthermore, art isn’t just functionally putting creations into the world, it’s also the act of creation. There’s a feeling of creation that comes from creating art, it’s about the journey and not just the destination.
Having a chatbot do it for you isn’t the same.
Many actors do not want to be directors, many directors do not want to be actors. Those are just different things.
Even if you want to compare prompting LLMs with directing, that still means that people are deprived of acting. They’re missing out on feeling and experiencing the act of artistic expression by outsourcing it to a chatbot.
“i am fine with stolen labor because it wasn’t mine. My coworkers are falling behind because they have ethics and don’t suck corporate cock but instead understand the value in humanity and life itself.”
Lmao relax dude. It’s just software.
Then most likely you will start falling behind… perhaps in two years, as it won’t be as noticable quickly, but there will be an effect in the long term.
This is a myth pushed by the anti-ai crowd. I’m just as invested in my work as ever but I’m now far more efficient. In the professional world we have code reviews and unit tests to avoid mistakes, either from jr devs or hallucinating ai.
“Vibe coding” (which most people here seem to think is the only way) professionally is moronic for anything other than a quick proof of concept. It just doesn’t work.
I know senior devs who fell behind just because they use too much google.
This is demonstrably much worse.
Lmao the brain drain is real. Learning too much is now a bad thing
I use gpt to prototype out some Ansible code. I feel AI slop is just fine for that; and I can keep my brain freer of YAML and Ansible, which saves me from alcoholism and therapy later.