DISCLAIMER: this is not my content that was removed, I just came across it in the modlog and found it to be absurd. If it’s not allowed, I totally understand.
Reason removed was because it’s unrelated.
Unrelated……
The guy was illegally deported without due process. And yet for some reason, suggesting so is somehow “unrelated” to a meme that is trying to say that because he is affiliated (no charges were ever filed against him for gang-related activity) with a gang, he is by default, guilty.
What’s ironic, is that the entire point of the meme is that the bullshit about him being in MS-13 is unrelated to the fact that people want accountability for this administration illegally deporting a man without due process.
This mod has definitely chosen the correct name.
And even taken into consideration that the instance is essentially a troll haven for wayward 4Chan refugees, they should still have to adhere to the rules of common sense.
Thanks for this. I have some “conservative” communites blocked, but I didn’t know about “conservativeS.” Added to the list.
No problem. Yeah. Everyone should know about them.
I was surprised… until I saw that it was c/conservatives…
Hey! I was the commenter! I’ve since been banned from there, but I did keep calling out the mod. 😆
I believe my last comment before being banned contained the phrase ‘sad piss baby’.
At least your voice is heard here. I saw this and just felt it needed to be called out.
The immigration judge literally said there was no proof he was MS-13.
Plaintiff Abrego Garcia is not a member of or has no affiliation with Tren de Aragua, MS-13, or any other criminal or street gang. Although he has been accused of general “gang affiliation,” the U.S. government has never produced an iota of evidence to support this unfounded accusation.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.1.0_1.pdf
Trump’s attempts at “proving” he was MS-13 was a laughably bad photoshop of “ms13” across his knuckles that took exactly 5 seconds of searching to disprove.
jesus christ… i hate trump more than you BUT, they didn’t photoshop ms13 across his knuckles, the picture is annotated to show what they assume it means.
it goes:
Marijuana=M, Smiley=S, Cross=1, Skull=3the “ms13” written on there is obviously not part of the photo and nobody thought it was.
it’s completely insane, and not at all evidence, but it’s not what you’re saying, ffs
Yeah. I think what I’ve seen is that Trump and his dipshit administration is going off of some unsubstantiated bullshit claims by the police.
That’s apparently all they need now.
sounds like something a gang member would say….
HC not beating the “just a reskinned exploding heads” allegations
Don’t say that too loudly or one of their admins will come to argue it’s totally different trust us
I thought non citizens also had a right to a fair trial?
They’re supposed to. But unfortunately Trump and his DOJ are wiping their ass with the Constitution. So I wouldn’t count on any due process in this country for the next 4 years unless we can replace Congress and get that fucker out.
with due process exceptions, anyone can be labelled ‘non citizen’ and treated without due process.
either everyone has due process, or no one is.
They did. And if you read a few of the comments here, it’s somehow the fault of the democrats?
The absolute bonked-zonkers thing about this is that they’ve fully memory-holed that even if this guy was undeniably part of MS-13, the group they were going after and who they had authorized this extra-judicial violence against was tren de aragua. Members of MS-13 should still, under their initial claims, not be able to be deported without trial like this.
I mean, a concerted effort to lie about known facts in a massive disinformation campaign, is unironically a reason why he is in office now. Though no way they see that context.
We have our very own r/conservative (degrogatory) now.
Why can’t they stay on their shit and be miserable there, they always follow us around and try and wreck whatever we make like the petulant whiny brats they are. I don’t go into their shitholes, why can’t they just stay out of our house
Not even they like each other. They want a constant supply of docile victims.
Because they can’t stand being around other people like themselves.
Because conservative idiots aren’t content talking to each other in their own spaces, they seek to force their ideas onto other people, even those who wish not to listen to them. It’s why they shut exploding-heads down, they were widely defederated and couldn’t force their ideas onto other people easily.
Because they’re utterly devoid of original thought and creativity and crave the attention.
They’re every annoying prepubescent sibling you’ve ever had, but in the guise of a fully grown voting adult.
this is the million dollar question
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He was a non-citizen, but had protected status. Specifically, a judge had ruled that he could not be deported to El Salvador, which is where Trump et al. deported him to (e.g., in direct violation of a federal judicial order). The deportation proceedings had no due process at all, which is to say, he was never given a hearing after being arrested, never given a chance to speak to an attorney, etc. All of which is illegal.
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This is also blatant misinformation. No judge ever made a finding that he was associated with MS-13. The government asserted it in court but it’s never been proven. The immigration proceedings largely revolved around his asylum application, interview, and testimony.
So they’re lying in an attempt to make it sensational enough to bust past due process. For an example of how that looks long term, check Duterte’s regime in the Philippines. Many people were killed extrajudicially and written off as drug dealers.
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Nazi instance supporting Nazis, not a shock.
PTB, clear and simple. Someday they will be mass defederated. I don’t think my instance gets them, but I haven’t been looking for more digital self harm by reading Nazis advocating for my kind to be removed.
I don’t think my instance gets them
We do. 👍
Damn. Well, still glad I didn’t go looking for them.
PTB, clear and simple.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
Someday they will be mass defederated.
One can dream.
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Is there evidence for this?
No, there isn’t.
Don’t give them so much credit. He won because of voter suppression laws targeting groups who typically vote democrat, and general laziness from democrats resulting in low voter turnout like usual.
Both can be true
So you think the ninety one million people are lazy democrats? Not a single lazy “I refuse to vote in protest” socialist among them?
Why would a socialist ever vote for the Democrats?
Because they understand iterated game theory. (Watch the first video at https://www.cgpgrey.com/politics-in-the-animal-kingdom/ and you might understand it, too.) FPtP means you vote for the a candidate that has a chance to win. Among those candidates you pick your most preferred / least bad option.
(Other videos at that link provide alternatives to FPtP that would better represent that preferences of the populace, and some areas in the U.S. do use non-FPtP for some parts of the election process.)
game theory doesn’t determine human behavior or elections, which depend on human behavior
Human behavior can be modeled. It is often modeled quite well with game theory.
We do have to be cautious tho. Models can let you derive a lot of results, but some or all of those results may not apply to reality depending on how much your model differs from it.
We know the iterated game theory model is largely valid because it is derived in the absence of historical examples and but history shows it in action repeatedly, albeit imperfectly.
So, while I agree on principle, I don’t agree that it is the “dunk” / refutation of all game theory that you think it implies.
It is often modeled quite well with game theory.
no, it’s not
You’ll never change the system by complying with the system.
That’s just not true. There’s a lot of change that is incremental and comes from within.
That said, if you have enough fighting the system to do that you absolutely can’t find time to cast a vote, please do that.
And, I also agree that the system is going to be trying to change you instead, but it’s going to be trying to do that whether you “comply” or participate or not. It is possible to vote without being instantly and irrecoverably corrupted.
Because our only other option was what we have now. It was never a good trade for anyone. But take a look around and ask yourself if Kamala would have done ANY of this shit.
Hell. Just take the damage trump’s little pet gremlin Elon has done.
Think about it. There would have been no DOGE under Harris.
That alone should have been why socialists should have voted for the democrat.
Another reason is Project 2025. He TOLD them what was going to happen. In detail. So again, there was plenty of reasons to use their vote defensively.
They chose not to.
And let’s throw in the fact that this discussion and the entire comment section wouldn’t have existed under Harris. And that is because the post would have existed. And that is because it wouldn’t have happened. And that is because we would all still have a right to due process.
In the event that they, or you- need and further answers to why they should have ever voted for a democrat- I’d suggest they read the news…
… every fucking day, for the next four years.
Ah yes, the least-worst option voting tactic, which ensures only one of two corrupt, incompetent parties can ever win the Presidency. Hardly vote inspiring is it? Do better.
As we all know, the best argument against harm reduction is “Things aren’t perfect so I will hurt everyone EXCEPT my enemy as much as possible to punish them. But not my enemy.”
So in a least-worse voting situation, you’re suggesting that the ideal course of action is inaction?
Has no one told you how voting works?
Oh and by the way, this conversation is a direct violation of the rules of this community isn’t?
Your input has absolutely nothing to do with the PTB in question. Is this a “rules for thee” situation? Because you’ve removed my comments in the past for delving into the topic of the posts that were removed, so I’m just trying to understand where the goalposts are here.
I’m simply responding directly to your comments. I agree we have strayed from the original topic, so will leave it there.
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of attending any of the protests going on right now: As far as I can tell, 0
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=protest&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New (also search that page for “Democrat” and “either party”)
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=50501&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
- https://ponder.cat/search?q=hands+off&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=845&page=1&sort=New
Number of times Unruffled has advocated for the solution of not voting for Democrats: Jesus Christ I think I’m going to puke
How it works in your country you mean? Where voters have basically no say in the candidates they can vote for, and are attacked and disparaged by both major parties if they have the temerity to vote for a candidate they actually like? Sounds like a healthy “democracy” to me, sure. The whole point of a democracy is voting for folks who represent your views. If neither of the two mainstream parties reflect your views then you are completely disenfranchised under that system. Accepting the premise that only one of two parties can ever win a Presidential election means that you have already given up on democracy. Holding your nose and voting for the least worst candidate only serves to prop up the two party system in perpetuity, and ensures your views will never be represented in the future.
Plenty of those. Those people should have voted for the socialist candidates like I did! Not voting was silly. On the other hand, people are free to choose to vote or not.
Wasn’t there also the slight issue of many not bothering to vote at all or not willing to vote for the more democratic candidate over Israel or something? So much drama in the states…
38% of registered voters didn’t bother to vote. I think many of them couldn’t stomach either candidate in the fake two-party system and didn’t think a third party or independent could win so they didn’t bother. If that 38% had gotten behind a candidate like Jill Stein or a write in campaign for Bernie Sanders, they could have beaten Trump and Harris.
Jill Stein was a spoiler candidate to help Trump
There can be only two candidates to choose from, and both will be genocide supporters, and you will be happy you have a vote.
You do realize the Green Party has been around much longer than Trump has been involved in politics, right? Jill Stein has been running on the ticket since at least 2012. The Green party opposes everything Trump and MAGA stand for.
The Green party opposes everything Trump and MAGA stand for.
https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-how-why-i-will-stop-kamala-harris-winning-white-house-1961100
Kamala Harris cannot win the presidential election because she has lost the crucial support of Muslim and Arab Americans in key battleground states, Jill Stein has said.
That’s what they’re supposed to do, doesn’t mean it’s what they do in practice.
no she wasn’t
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-jill-stein-favorite-politicians-1980202
https://fairvote.org/jill-stein-and-spoiler-season/
Despite this poll, the conventional wisdom remains (and most polling suggests) that Green candidates hurt Democrats more than Republicans. The parties seem to be approaching Stein’s campaign accordingly.
In addition to the ad, Democrats have hammered Stein’s candidacy in recent weeks. Conservative operatives tried to help Stein qualify for the ballot in key states to hurt Vice President Harris (just as Democrats tried to help a Constitution Party candidate to hurt former President Trump).
One thing is clear: fear and weaponization of minor-party “spoilers” is alive and well in the last days of the 2024 presidential election – except in Maine and Alaska, which use ranked choice voting to vote for president.
With ranked choice voting, neither side would have to worry about the election being “spoiled,” and voters could confidently cast their ballots for their favorite candidate instead of feeling pressured to pick the lesser of two evils.
this doesn’t prove your claim.
Wake up.
prove the claim.
No, I’m not interested in doing your homework for you. Prove I’m wrong.
There was a reason she didn’t run in 2020 and that’s because her interference wasn’t needed that year.
that’s the year I voted for Howie Hawkins. you’re just spreading a baseless conspiracy theory
It’s baseless that she didn’t run in 2020?
And if significantly less than that 38% had voted for Harris when Trump told them he would destroy America, they could have beaten Trump.
Maybe folks don’t want to vote for their own oppressors, whether the oppressor in chief is Trump or Harris? But Harris would have been less oppressive you say? Tell that to the working poor who have ballooned in numbers under both Democrats and Republicans. And tell it to the Palestinians, most of whom were killed with Biden’s bombs.
Riiiight. Yeah. Let’s all take a look around and see how we are SO much better off as a result of your inaction.
My inaction? I’m not American. And neither do I accept the pitiful attempt of Democrats to deflect blame onto everyone but themselves for their embarrassing loss to a literal moron. You lot fucked around with plutocracy and reached the endgame early. Sucks to be you I guess.
As I’ve said before, I have had comments removed from here for bringing up something unrelated to the PTB. Even though it was related as it involved the same mod, it was removed anyway.
Now you’re here to debate a topic unrelated to the mod or the topic, even after I’ve said that I won’t discuss it with you here because I’m following the rules that were cited as reason for the removal of my comments in another post.
Ask yourself why Trump wasn’t put in prison for Jan 6th as soon as Biden took office. There are not two separate parties. There is a single party pretending to be two parties. They all work for the same corporations and they all take bribes from AIPAC. That’s why 38% didn’t bother to vote.
Probably because there were only a few guns found, and he sent mixed messages including telling people to be peaceful and later to go home. I’ve even seen threads here where people admit it wasn’t a real insurrection. It was less violent than things that have happened in places like Seattle - and I get that different rules apply at the Capitol - but bottom line it wasn’t a slam dunk as disqualifying him in the public’s opinion.
Revisionism
Ask for the guards’ takes on what happened instead
I have heard the guards takes and I think I have a grasp on the nature of the event. I’ve also watched tons of videos including unprompted violence and also the guards letting people in, giving no resistance at all. It was a fucked up day, but was anything I said untrue?
what are you gonna do about it?
grow up, either grab a rifle and start shooting at political candidates or vote for the lesser evil, you can’t sit in the corner and cry like a 5 year old waiting for the teacher to come and defend you.
This is the real world, nobody is gonna help you but yourself.
Yes, it is unfair, it is fucked and it is bad, but really, what are you gonna do about it?
There is no lesser evil. You either support human rights or you support tyranny, oppression and genocide. Democrats and Republicans don’t support human rights, they support corporate power which leads to tyranny, oppression and genocide. You can’t lie to me and say you care about women’s rights and reproductive freedom, for example, while providing funding and political support to exterminate women in Palestine. See how that doesn’t add up.
what are you gonna do about it?
there are lots of other options
Preach, friend! 100 percent true!
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
I’m no anti electoralist, but people are still protesting the genocide.
There was a specific crowd pretending only democrats could have responsibility for it and that Trump could not be worse
you’re making that up.
I saw them with my own eyes.
can you show me?
No, that’s not what they said, and I still see most of those names posting around Lemmy all the time
Usually saying “toldja”, fun y enough
Either we’re not talking about the same crowd, or you need to work on your reading comprehension
I haven’t gone anywhere. Frankly you’re a piece of shit for implying everybody who cared about gaza was a foreign troll. The fact you’re entirely lacking empathy for foreigners and only care about your own sheltered ass doesn’t mean we’re all like that. Scumbag
What’s happening in palestine is blatantly abhorrent, but voting dem would have ended in a much more favourable outcome (not a good outcome, but better).
If you mean a more favorable outcome in Palestine, I… don’t think so. I mean I voted for Harris, and a mostly democratic ballot from top to bottom, but I really don’t think she would have changed the behavior of Israel in Palestine or even significantly change U.S.A. actions that support that behavior.
But, she wouldn’t have trashed our relationship with every trading partner, ruined the NIH and FDA, published military plans in the newspaper. She might have been better on trans rights, but maybe not. So, yeah a more favorable outcome overall, at least IMO.
While I wasn’t referring to Palestine specifically, I feel it would have been tangentially more preferable, but still awful for Palestine.
I think she would have been on par with biden on trans rights.
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that user is always occupying the ever-common Lemmy superposition of dunking relentlessly on people for being pro Palestine, but then if pressed will desperately act like they’re also pro Palestine and claim that it’s your responsibility to prove why they’re not.
This one you’re replying to in particular is also just a chauvinist who loves calling Russians orcs
I don’t think those people are dunking on people for being pro-palestine, they’re dunking on them not voting because of Palestine.
Believe it or not, not everyone is a shit stain American who got to vote for one of your two shitty mainstream candidates, both of which support Israel to the hilt.
My parties? I’m Irish and all three of our major parties support palestine.
Yeah all those “gEnOciDe” trolls have mystically vanished since then …
A charitable read is that it’s only dunking on people for the electoral choices, but the racist comment history and shitty previous interactions I’ve had with this particular user is why I don’t have any charity today.
This “superposition” tactic has a name: Motte-and-bailey argument
Is that similar to being pro-Palestine while they’re being invaded yet pro-Russian while they’re invading?
No, and
loves calling Russians orcs
Orcs : (in fantasy literature and games) a member of an imaginary race of humanlike creatures, characterized as ugly, warlike, and malevolent.
Average ‘anti-racist’ lib.
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That sounds like election denial. I thought you guys didn’t do that?
“He’s MS-13!” Prove it in court then. Fuck me I’m tired of Americans being 100% wrong about everything and then trying to sound adult by having lengthy ‘debates’ about it.
Already proven in court. Twice.
It was alleged. If you’re accepting that without proof you have an agenda.
On the off-chance that you don’t actually know that what you’ve said is incorrect, here’s a link to wikipedia. Skip on down to the section, “2019 detention and bond hearings.” You’ll see that whatever dumbass told you that a court “proved” that Mr. Garcia was related to MS-13 was saying that ICE found that he couldn’t prove he wasn’t, once, and they upheld that he couldn’t prove he wasn’t, on an appeal. Neither of which is proving anything in court once, let alone twice.
Further, an immigration judge granted him “withholding of removal” status. This is notable because it’s much harder to get a “withholding of removal” than getting granted asylum, because you have to prove that if you’re sent to the country in question, the government will either persecute you, or choose not to protect you from prosecution.
So, to recap, it’s not only not been proved that this guy has any relation to MS-13, but it’s been proven to an actual court that if he gets sent to El Salvador, the Barrio 18 gang will kill him. Because the only evidence he has any connection to a gang, is that there’s a gang that wants to kill him.
Wrong. About pretty much everything you just said.
https://ijr.com/doj-releases-full-dossier-of-evidence-that-abrego-garcia-was-ms-13/
He was proven to be MS-13. He doesn’t have to prove he isn’t, they have to prove he is - and they did. Twice. That’s how courts work.
FYI Wikipedia is not a trusted or reliable source. Avoid using it in future. There’s a reason it’s not allowed as a source in higher education.
Also wrong about the withholding of removal order. He was not granted that due to government persecution - he was granted it because the main rival gang to MS-13 would likely target him. What a strange thing to rule if he isn’t an MS-13 member, right?
So… the thing is, you linked a right-wing nutjob site, but! I looked into it anyway because I’m always willing to do that. And if you scroll down to where the rag you’re linking says, “which he has disputed in court, are included in the release,” you would see the word “included” there is a hyperlink to a justice.gov website, which is the documents involved with the subsection, “2019 detention and bond hearings” to which I directed you.
That document is an officer talking about the other men that Garcia was with, they’re suspected ties to MS-13, and then they talk about Garcia. Why was he suspected of being with MS-13? He was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. “Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture.” His crime was being in a Home Depot parking lot, looking for work, and wearing a Chicago Bulls hat. And I can’t stress enough that the wikipedia link which you found less trustworthy than this garbage, had all of this information!
To continue showing evidence of what I say, here is a link to an actual court document, citing the withholding of removal order. Which was granted. What you’re looking for is at the bottom of page 2- “Although Abrego Garcia was found removable, the immigration judge granted him withholding of removal to El Salvador in an order dated October 10, 2019.”
That ‘court document,’ is the Defendant’s Memorandum of Law in Opposition to Plaintiff’s Emergency Motion for Temporary Restraining Order. Why am I emphasizing that? Because this was filed by the Department of Homeland Security. This is a document, supplied to court, by Trump’s administration, which states that the withholding status was granted.
You can send me garbage articles from idiots all day but nothing will compete with, “Kristi Noem and the Department of Homeland Security list that the withholding status was granted in an actual filing with the court.” And they not only state that it was granted, they do so under the heading, “Statement of Facts.” Enjoy.
Finally, the reason that the Barrio 18 was after him had nothing to do with MS-13. They were after him, like they had been after his older brother before him- his mother owns a business, and the Barrio 18 were extorting her.
I’d say I’m looking forward to your next reply, but I’m sure it’ll be an extensive moving of goalposts. He had the withholding status. He shouldn’t have been deported. The Supreme Court agrees with me. That’s really all I need.
I have no idea what the site is, came up as first result in search, but what the site is is irrelevant as it’s simply reporting on what the White House/doj/etc has said. I’ve linked AP and other left-wing nut job sites too when they have the correct sources even if I don’t agree with the opinions written around the sources and statements.
He had withholding status, absolutely. The illegal alien act that has been invoked, however, arguably gave them the power to disregard that and deport him. That can be challenged in court if someone wants to.
You’re also telling lies by saying that the only reason he was determined to be a MS-13 gang member was because of how he was dressed. The government has confirmed that confidential information given to them confirmed that he was MS-13. Not the current government, but the one in 2019. His tattoos on his knuckles fit the mould. The El Salvador president says he is MS-13 and that they wanted him deported to them.
The evidence is stacked up that he is a MS-13 gang member, and he admits to being in the country illegally. What do YOU think should have been done with him if not deportation to his home country where he is a citizen?
As for your reasons why the MS-13 rival gang are after him - that’s all just conjecture. It’s what an illegal immigrant said when faced with being deported to a country he doesn’t want to go back to. It could be true. On the balance of probability, given all we know - illegally entered the country, determined to be a MS-13 gang member, hangs around with other known MS-13 gang members, wears/wore gang affiliated clothing (and yes, the Chicago bulls hat is known to be a MS-13 article of clothing, even if you think it was just a coincidence), has probable gang tattoos, fears being deported - it’s probably a safe bet that what he is saying isn’t 100% true.
One aside - on page 3 of that first document it says in one section (humanitarian issues) that he has no fear of returning to El Salvador, but then under another section (intelligence information) it says that he has fear of returning to El Salvador. I’d love to know which it is meant to be, because it can’t be both. It says he declined the offer to call the consulate office in El Salvador. I’m guessing there was no update or clarification of this document that is available?
You know exactly what that site is, you lying propagandist POS. Get tf out.
Sure it has. Go on, do tell. Which court? What case? Who was the Judge?
Ok, that’s something. Let’s see, the article headline still says “DOJ Releases Dossier Of Deported Maryland Man’s Alleged MS-13 Gang Ties.” Emphasis added by me. Now why would they say “alleged” if the court already found him guilty? Ah, right, because those were bond hearings. Yes, I actually read the legal documents linked by that article and both court findings were that the unproven claims of gang affiliation, combined with the fact that he had missed traffic court in the past, were sufficient to deny release on bond until his status hearing could be held. No further hearing was ever held. At no point did the legal system establish guilt, make a definitive finding of fact, or make a judicial decision on his deportation.
So, unless you have other court records to link me to that show otherwise, then you are wrong: no such thing has been legally proven.
Edit: Even the appeals Judge refers to it as “allegations of gang affiliation” in their order affirming the lower court decision that you are calling proof.
They weren’t establishing guilt other than was he there illegally, which he was. They did determine that he is an MS-13 member.
The allegations of being a gang member were substantiated. Twice. They didn’t go “oh he didn’t show to traffic court, that means he’s a gang member allegedly” lol
He was ordered to be deported twice - that’s why another court then said he can’t be deported to El Salvador lol
You are a traitor to the constitution. Get the fuck out of our country, your lying cowardly ass doesn’t deserve to live here.
Seriously, read the actual fucking legal documents linked in that biased-ass article. They denied him bond while waiting for the real hearing due to the gang allegations. Nothing more, nothing less. The judges themselves refer to them as allegations in their findings. The traffic court thing is unrelated to him being a gang member, it is relevant to if he should be released while waiting, which is the only thing they were finding on. I read the orders myself, they clearly make no finding on if he’s in a gang and no findings on deportation.
This person isn’t arguing in good faith. They straight up ignored my reply to try and argue with you. I linked the same documents that came from that same bullshit article they linked to me and they refuse to look at them, they just keep parroting, “proven in court twice! Proven in court twice!”
They’re going to argue with anything they see, and they can’t be swayed by facts.
The allegations were determined to be true. Do you think that gang members carry a gang membership card or something? There’s no “official” gang membership paperwork, everything is “alleged” even after courts deem the allegations to be true.
He admits to being in the country illegally. He was found to be a MS-13 gang member. Both of those things are cause for deportation individually. When you combine they it’s a slam dunk. The only reason he wasn’t deported was because of fear that MS-13s rival gang would persecute him upon his return, which basically confirms that he is an MS-13 member. If he’s not MS-13, why would MS-13s rival gang want him dead?
Why do you think that it even got to the ruling staying his deportation? Because he was going to be deported. 6 years ago. For some absurd reason he has just been able to wander around the USA as an illegal immigrant for the last 6 years because some judge said sending him home is dangerous because of a rival gang 🤣. What sort of stupid situation is that? Illegally in the country, known about, but allowed to stay because not allowed to send him to his home country where he is a citizen.
So what’s the next step? Deport him to a random country where he isn’t a citizen either, where they’ll just send him straight back? Put him in jail for breaking the law by coming in to the country illegally? They can’t just block the only available deportation destination so he gets to illegally stay in the USA forever. So again - what is the next step? What do YOU think should be done with him? He would NOT win any court case fighting against his illegal alien status because he is an illegal alien, self admittedly.
