I wish the reaction to Trump would fuel the left-liberals/social libertarians in Germany. Instead, a quarter of the populace wants to vote for nazis. So I wish I’d live in Canada or some other queer friendly nation that isn’t being dominated by the far right right now.
As a dumbass American… Go Canada! Fuck yeah good work!
The cherry on top:
Little PP got his ass kicked. I love it !
I don’t know how it works there. Was Pierre running in two races?
Would there have a special election for this seat if he had won both?
What are the odds he loses support and goes quiet after losing both, especially his backup incumbent election? (Knowing hard losses used to discourage people, but not always now)
Prime Minister is similar to Speaker of the House- everyone gets elected in their district and then the majority party (or in the case of a
functional democracymulti-party system, a coalition of parties that add up to 51% of the elected officials) picks their own Speaker/Prime Minister without further input from the public. In practice, if you’re already the party leader then you’re sure (95%~) to be the prime minister after your party wins/gets the biggest share in the electionNo one actually “runs for Prime Minister”. The Prime Minister is simply the leader of the governing party. That is determined by the number of seats each party wins. The PM is almost always an elected MP, but as demonstrated for the past few weeks they don’t have to be.
Thank you! I understand now.
Meirdas Touch once again. The orange shit stain backs a Con and all voters take that as a sign that the person is a piece of shit and votes opposite.
Sometimes it works nicely.
Top Poilievre defense he did use a lot of Trump’s talking points and techniques. Branding himself as Trump light.
He showed who he was, and people believed him, as they should.
I’m happy for you Canada.
You succeeded where America couldn’t.
Are y’all accepting asylum for programmers / tech professionals?
If you’re serious, start looking for companies hiring up here. As I understand it’s not easy, even for economic class immigrants, but I work in tech and I work with many immigrants (albeit not usually from the US, but it’s a different world now). Mind you - please look carefully into the financial impacts as it is a change from the US. Salaries are lower and taxes generally higher, which may or may not be offset in your context in other ways (healthcare a big one, income tax deductions, etc.) But many people, myself included, prefer Canada regardless of the reduced compensation. It’s not always about money.
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Asylum, not yet. There’s still a treaty on the books recognising America as equivalently safe. Presumably it will get rolled back soon.
If you’re serious, I can send you to the points quiz for economic immigrants.
What happens when a ‘safe third country’ starts adopting extractionary systems left behind by colonial empires that have, in part, held back third world economies for decades? Keep an eye on America to find out!
I’m sure America’s substantial purchasing power will help prevent the rot from spreading within. Right? Right?!
I’d very much appreciate any correspondence you have on the matter. Thank you!
Hopefully Britain follows Canadas footsteps (as we might vote in wish trump)
Please, he’s Pound-Stretcher Trump. Not even Poundland would stock him.
What elections are coming up in the UK? I thought Starmer won a majority just last year.
no, but local elections are
You do your local elections all at once?
Canada should give Trump the Order of Canada for unifying the country. Do it.
Having a criminal history would likely make him ineligible.
There’s no outright rule against it but several people have been removed from the order for committing crimes.
Fuck you Buffy. Another american scumbag.
Felons aren’t allowed in Canada
Narrowly.
Are you guys not horrified of what’s happening south? If you interpret this as a win and go on, your country is going to be mega conservative in like a decade.
No, this is an existential crisis, and you need to shut off the propaganda machines before it’s too late.
It’s after a full decade of Liberal rule. Do you know how hard it is to win after that long being blamed for everyone’s problems? This is huge.
And damning for Poilievre. He not only had the opportunity to win by banging on the usual triad of “time for a change”, “we need to unleash the economy”, and “tax relief” but he lost his seat in the process. It’s easy to point at the gains the conservatives made, but losing at all after a decade of having another party in place, especially in very difficult times, is impressive. Even if he isn’t ousted or doesn’t step down, he may be seen by the electorate as incapable of bringing home a win.
Agreed. Incumbents always do worse in the next election. Makes me shudder to think what the result of the next election is going to be. Trudeau’s latest term was really bad and they got no punishment for it whatsoever thanks to the gift from the south. And Canada seems to be moving further and further away from proportional representation. So who will voters swing to next election?
Great result for today’s Canadians. Terrifying result for future Canadians.
I would point out though that a CPC win would have been a terrifying result for future AND current Canadians. So I guess that’s a small win?
Quite true. The reason for celebration is that had the conservatives won they were planning to defund our public broadcaster right off the bat. We need all kinds of reforms but having the CBC around to report on them will be quite important.
Look, we’ve had the liberals for ten years now. Theyve won 4 elections at this point. It’s amazing they won anything at all this time.
Justin fatigue was real. Carney coming in, demolishing the only thing the conservative dingdongs were campaigning about and just being overall a very respectable candidate turned things around. Along with the orange monkey down there.
It was still waaaaaaay too close
Too close from whose perspective?
The liberals had no business winning this election. All metrics pointed to a conservwtive land slide until Trump got involved and Carney seemingly handled him better than Trudeau.
Carney is going to have to perform above average in his first term otherwise the liberals will be absolutely decimated in 4 years.
This is borrowed time. Even an average performance now will guarantee Poilievre a win in 4 years. The Liberals are going to have to get more done in 4 years than they have in the past 10 to prevent that.
Mine,
Conservatives policies aren’t beneficial for the average Canadian. 40% of people voting against, their, and my best interests is not something I like. The cons and pp don’t care about climate change. That affects all of us,they want more American style Healthcare, that affects all of us. They want to lower taxes, great! Where do they get the money to do that? By cutting our services.
Considering the massive lead the conservatives once had it isn’t really ‘that’ close. Liberal gains were astonishing once Carney entered the ring.
40%+ of voters still went for pp. That’s too high, and with our shitty fptp, it made it worse
I don’t know thats its too high especially of it was going to be much more than that if not for Trump’s threats, Trudeau’s resignation and Carney’s ascension.
I believe it to be. It should be a race between the Libs and the ndp
It was mostly Trump. Americans polls did something similar after 9/11. The candidates involved just put it over the top.
What do you mean “narrowly”? It’s a clean victory and the trumpist conservative leader lost his own riding.
Liberals projected to hold a slim minority, the NPD was all but annihilated, Liberals will be forced to reach across the isle and work with the BQ.
Are the Bloc easier to work with than the NDP? history suggests no.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement. This is a good result for those of us who don’t trust a banker to not sell out the working class.
The numbers allow a continuation of a Liberal-NDP confidence-and-supply arrangement.
Or a less formal agreement, if there is no appetite for a similar arrangement as last time.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
The thing is, the Liberals are in a good enough position that they can maintain power with the support of the BQ or the NDP. This gives them some leverage if they tried to play the two parties against each other, and the NDP may be more willing to help given their low head count. Maintaining relevance could be a strong motivating factor. All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus. If he is able to, it will lead to more stability for our country in troubled times and would be a promising indicator of a change to PR electoral reform, which would also cement greater power for Liberals while opening the path for more social progress for Canadians. I’m not optimistic, but a non-career politician may be more inclined in that direction than most others.
All that said, I hope that Carney instead chooses to build consensus.
As I understand it, that has been how he has operated in his previous roles.
Or a more formal agreement. I’ve heard some complaining about not having any NDP ministers, but I don’t know if that’s mainstream.
Or, my preference, working to consensus with both BQ and NDP.
Eh, it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch. Now’s not the time to risk that.
it sounds like the Bloc really wants a rematch.
I doubt they’ll try to topple the government until the threat of Trump is neutralized. Or at least significantly muted. They have a common goal with the rest of the country on that issue.
Plus, what’s their warchest look like at the moment?
Yeah, I don’t know for sure. I was going off of what Chantal said on CBC, but the again she though the last government would be short lived, too.
Not quite. There’s still enough polls left to report that could lead to a Liberal majority, even if that doesn’t happen (it’s quite unlikely), then current projections are that the NDP will have enough seats to support the minority government, even though the Bloc will hold more seats overall than the NDP.
Ironically, Trudeau hanging around for a long as he did may have saved Canada. If this election had happened in the middle of last year, the Conservatives would have probably won and combined with Trump, it would have been a disaster. Possibly the smartest/luckiest thing he has ever done.
At the end of the day it all comes down to the role of the dice.
in this case it was the early voter turnout and the special ballots that really lifted it. And we cannot ever forget Bloc. They did a huge push on this one. No one hates Trump quite as much as Quebecois and they showed it 20 fold. Quite a ride watching all this. Especially what with the cyber attacks on the PM during this short campaign was relentless as was the propaganda radios. It honestly should be a case study on how out of control the propaganda was getting on X and facebook.
Trump made Québécois what Canadians themselves couldn’t do, make Québécois more Canadian.
Watching them sing the anthem full-throated during the 4 nations was a sight to behold.
Cannot believe I’m living in an era where Alberta is more separatist than Quebec.
A common threat forces people together.
Fuck man, I wish I could afford move to Canada right now.
No one can afford to move to Canada. Our housing prices are stupid.
Even more unaffordable for an American. They need to have bankroll to survive a year without income and that includes covering possible medical expenses for 3 months. I have friends who have wanted to move here for years and the hurdles are large even with skills and secondary education. Only those with highly in demand educated skills get an easier path.
No different in America, and corporations are buying up homes so they can jack the prices up even higher. MAGA wants a population of renters so that they can control us by threatening us with homelessness.
I can but they won’t let my friends in. I didn’t realize until I looked into it but national borders are actually quite rigid
You’d have to build new roots in a new place. I’ll admit I worry that I’m running out of time for that at my age, or at the very least the window is closing.
Makes me feel pretty depressed. I’m not super happy with the landscape of people I have to interact with. I have a lot of decent friends but I feel like the number of very close friendships I have is zero due to a lot of major value differences and low population.
I’m feeling the same way. I’ve been mostly “stuck” in wherever I just ended up. Part of me really does fantasize about fleeing somewhere better, especially being in a part of the US with an absolutely abysmal education record (and it shows. Oh boy.)
But besides the resources, I don’t have some ultra compelling reason for a non-volatile nation to bother letting me in.
There’s cool people here, and I try to get along with whomever, but forming relationships feels really high stakes these days since contested politics and tribalism is infecting every facet of peoples’ lives.
Australian chiming in here and we have an election in a few days time.
The current Opposition Leader is running on a platform of Trump Wannabee.
I really really hope our country tells him to stick it up his fucking ass.
thankfully our 2 party preferred polls look almost the identical to canadas!
I’m still terrified.
Australians have a bad habit of falling for those kind of dog whistle tactics.
yeah it’s way closer than it has any right to be that’s for sure
rooting for you aussies. Love and strength from Germany <3
Cheers dude. We have to come together across all borders to end this shit.
Let’s go mates. Kick them bootlicker asses.
this outcome has less to do with trump’s actions, and more to do with how the conservatives behaved in spite of those actions.
I think enough people were like me, ready to vote conservative, but then lost faith in the party since they didnt really seem to have a plan on anything once trudeau was gone early. Pollievre’s stock tanked once people saw that Trudeau was gone, and what was happening in the world
I don’t know that ‘Conservative’ exists anymore. I’m American, but I think these comments work everywhere else, as Authoritarianism rises.
Growing up, I believed that liberal/conservative was just a difference in approach, but not a difference in end-goal. Both ‘teams’ wanted the country to prosper. In my 40s, now, I clearly see that we have different goals: Liberals want everyone to be prosperous, healthy, fulfilled. Conservatives value the prosperity only of those on top.
You may identify as conservative, little ‘c’, respect tradition and be careful with spending, etc; but I want you to closely evaluate the actions of people using that label across the globe. A vote for a conservative or right-wing candidate is a vote for the top 1% or less of the population of the planet. They may align with you on some topics, such as religion, abortion, fiscal policies, regulations, and more; but that is a ploy and they are absolutely willing to throw you away as soon as they have your vote and will cut everything you depend on once in power in order to pad their own pockets.
There are certainly perverse incentives and systemic issues that make even liberal politicians support bad policies, but the voter bloc that is ‘liberal’ wants to make things better for everyone. The conservative politicians, at least in the US where I’m paying attention, seem to be hell-bent on making things worse instead.
This has less to do with Trump’s actions, and more to do with how the convervatives behaved…
Really, Mark Carney is what a conservative used to be. These days people who identify as “conservative” are internet weirdos that stress over “wokeness” and whichever conspiracy theory is popular on the internet on that day.
This has been my experience as well and I’d like to highlight your insightful point on how it seemed like both options were still trying to work towards a greater good decades ago.
Modern day conservatism seems entirely based on the ethos that inclusivity has gone too far. Since the world has become (in a very general and oversimplfying sense) more fair and inclusive over time, the ideology now feels inherently regressive.
The line between regressive and conservative is so hard to define. However the former certainly is in ascendancy in America.
Long as you’re voting against fascists man
Poillievre flirted with Trumpian rhetoric though.
He tried to mimic 2016 2020 trump. And it was palatteable to many
But when the 2025 version came out. It disgusted people
Explain how they gained more seats then.
The conservatives barely lost because the progressives and the BQ voters cut their legs off to hoist up the liberals.
We’ll see if the liberals take Quebec for granted like NDP did after Layton.
That’ll be important. We’ll also see how Canadians react to the atrocities the USA will commit in the next 4 years too however.
Genuine question, what initially led you to wanting to vote conservative and what could they have run on for you to have stuck with then?
Carney should send a thank you note to Trump for helping him win the election
NDP and Conservative leaders lost their own ridings.
NDP leader already announced he’s stepping down and I feel like the conservative has to as well.
Really proud of Canada not going down the same path my dumb ass country did
It wasn’t by a large margin… Canadians are turning fascist just like a lot of other countries.
Yes, we narrowly avoided going down the Trump route this time, but I don’t find this picture particularly encouraging (NDP, Green and BQ are the three most progressive parties):
Source: National Post
It’s not straightforward to understand that, since this is a chart of seats not votes, and you can get weird effects with first-past-the-post and strategic voting, but it certainly looks like the electorate is moving rightwards at the expense of progressives.
On what planet is the BQ (bloq quebecois) a progressive party? NDP and green for sure.
Bloc are literally a Quebec only nationalist/separatist. The cons are angry at them because they “stole” a bunch of their Quebec voters/seats. If that’s your target audience you aren’t on the progressive end of the spectrum.
In the policies section of the page you link, there are a number of positions that are typically associated with “progressive” politics.
And a broken clock is right twice a day. Just because a couple policies from a party are progressive doesn’t overwrite the fact that their founding tenants are hyper nationalistic (if you count Quebec as an independent nation).
Maybe the left is realizing that they are fighting for really critical human rights, their autonomy and their country, so it’s time to stop splitting the vote among marginal left wing parties?
Certainly there’s a lot of strategic voting going on. But you don’t see the Liberal (centrist) seat count increasing as the NDP goes down: the gains are all with the Conservatives. If it were a matter of progressives deciding to just consolidate with Liberals, you’d expect to see the Liberal seat count go up as the smaller parties went down. To me this suggests either that some people are flipping directly from left to right or that there is a general rightwards drift, with right-wing Liberals going over to Conservatives and left-wing strategic voters filling in some of the gap they leave for the Liberals. In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
In either case it’s concerning that when the Conservatives fielded their most far-right leader so far, their share of the seats went up.
It’s not surprising at all, the 2 conservative parties in Germany are the most far-right and second most far-right parties. They host politicians who are grandsons and granddaughters of real Nazi SS officers (like the leader of the AfD: Alice Weidel, her grandpa was directly responsible for thousands of civilian deaths as military judge and prosecuter and later chief military judge for Adolf fucking Hitler. They copy their talking points one to one and would love to see people dissappear, who are not looking like them. Conservatives, for the most part, are atrociously far-right.
There’s strategic voting going both ways as some people are simply tired of seeing the Liberals in power, they would have been back the following election if the cons had won.
I don’t think the answer to the corrupting influence of America’s rotting republic is to become a two party system.
What’s the answer?
Electoral reform would be a good start. Ranked Choice isn’t perfect, but it’s easy to implement and much better than our current system, asvwe build appetite for a truly progressive voting method.
But splitting the vote isn’t an issue with proportional representation is it? If the libs lose one seat to the greens that’s still one seat not occupied by the cons.
The liberals are not a left wing party, but ya people are just scared of trump and our own conservatives, understandably so.
Conservatives still winning over 40% of all votes total. Definitely a very bad sign.
Until social networks are mare criminally liable for the crap they spew this won’t be turned around.
They all have to be sued nonstop for slander, defamation, and high treason or else all their leaders and pundits dragged into the streets and beaten to death in front of their kids. Waiting for society to right itself is never gonna happen.
I’m hoping the margin was tight because most people, even the ones who voted liberal, held their nose as they did it. We don’t like a party being in charge for this long, but the alternative is worse and worse every election. Pierre poilievre was however the worst and most dickish conservative I’ve seen in a while, so I hate how close this was.
Both Jason Kenney and Andrew Scheer, the two prior Conserrvative leaders, also completely blew their chances of winning by relying on the rightwing outrage pipeline and by being completely unlikable as a human beings.
Side story, I worked in government and received an MP complaint against me by a client, and the MP was Jason Kenney. I had to talk to him a bit everyday for a week or so, and he came off as incredibly stupid. Blew my mind a year later when he was on a ballot lol.
I was asked by a conservative volunteer why I wasn’t voting Con, I told him to write it down for the higher ups “I will never vote for a candidate who makes up cute little trump style nicknames for his opponents like carbon tax carney, and that any politician who rallies against woke culture has brain worms”
That is the sad thing.
Hopefully Australia follows suit, as we have our own Temu Trump in opposition coming into our election.
