ITT: People realising most of the world lives outside their bubble
My favorite lemmy bubble is the smug woke ( idiot leftists, who think they are smart but aren’t) who think Kamala lost because she didn’t take a stance on Gaza and people abstained in protest and not because of sexism and racism.
I think you’re also missing a huge part of it. People don’t care about Gaza nearly as much as people here think, nor do people care about her race or gender much.
You can see a massive shift in betting odds and polls around the time she had an interview where she said she wouldn’t have done anything different than Biden. My general perception is that she didn’t really have a plan, and I think that’s true for the public. I also think the public didn’t like the comparison of Trump with Hitler. Trump, on the other hand, claimed to have a plan for fixing the economy, and I think that resonated with people, especially since the economy was good under Trump. They see the inflation during COVID as Biden’s problem (I personally blame supply chain disruption mostly, and also Trump’s spending), and Harris refused to throw Biden under the bus.
I personally blame Harris’s loss on three things:
- late entry - Biden should’ve dropped out sooner so they could have a real primary
- lack of real difference vs Biden
- running mate choice - should’ve picked Shapiro from Pennsylvania, not Walz
I don’t think her being female hurt her, and it probably helped her appeal to female voters vs Trump, and Obama winning implies race doesn’t matter much either. To me, it comes down to policy and lack of a primary. People wanted change, while she offered more of the same. If you don’t believe me, watch some interviews with people in swing states and listen to what they’re most interested in.
That is why she lost to though. 15 million blank ballots don’t lie.
15 million blank ballots is why she lost, but it doesn’t say why those 15 million didn’t show. If you think 15 million people, or even a majority of them, who are largely, older, white, men, did it to protest gaza, I got news for you. It isn’t just the governments, and corporations, that don’t assign value to palestinian life.
No they were not largely older white men. And the Gaza issue has a ton of support on the left which would be more readily apparent if it wasn’t so viciously censored by the media and Harris’ own administration.
Everything I see about the statistics of those who previously voted biden, then sat out harris, show the largest single demographic, by far, was older white men. You have anything to counter this? The gaza sentiment, while truly more popular than the powers that be wanted to propose, is a lot smaller, when leveled against the entirety of the non GOP voting population, than progressive venues, especially online ones, want to pretend.
As an example, not a single person in my mom’s big social circle, most of which are not GOP supports, has said one damned thing about the genocide in gaza, and they talk about political issues fairly frequently, even if it is just snipes at someone. Their age/race/economic demographics make the largest portion of those who voted. In the spaces my family live in, down south, people in the their 20s are talking about politics, but gaza isn’t much of a topic, and often when it is, they openly say things to show they need to worry about home, not gaza. The ones who differ are your classic WEIRDs. This same thing holds in a lot of the region I live in, the midatlantic/midwest appalachia region. These people lost her, or at least played a major part in losing her, the election in GA, and PA. They voted mostly based on how bad economic life is for them. They voted stupidly, and are now pissed that they made it worse, but it wasn’t gaza that they gave two fucks about. The one place gaza, likely, truly damaged the harris campaign was MI, because it is second only to India, in muslim population, outside of muslim majority countries.
I think you are the victim of cultural bubble on this one.
There nothing to counter. You just pulled this stat out of your ass and demand I debunk it. No one knows the demographic of the blank ballot voters but to not vote for Harris while still voting down ballot for other Dems suggested it was motivated by a very strong conviction.
And no misogyny and racism don’t explain it considering how many female candidates den voters elect, how even Hilary performed better, and how Obama was elected.
I really don’t care if you believe me. You liberals are controlled opposition and will continue to field right wing neoliberals and never see the white house again.
I didn’t say it was misogyny or racism either. You made a claim with out evidence, and I told you what I have read, then asked for your counter, since you seem to have one, but now you say you don’t, so you pulled it out of your ass, just like you claim I did. Pointing out white, older, men, were the big portion of those who sat out, was to point to interests outside of gaza, namely economic ones.
I am not a liberal, I am just able to recognize that most people in the US do not actually, truly, care about gaza. I can care all I want about stopping genocide, and it wont make a damned bit of difference to the greater population around me who, vocally, didn’t vote for her, mostly due to economic reasons. Also, you are just projecting that it was YOUR strong conviction that made them not vote for her. Maybe, just maybe, you are out of touch with the fact that most of the US is not particularly progressive, or leftist. Doesn’t matter that I want a leftist system. The dominant conviction was that she dropped the ball in reaching out to people about how she intended to make their personal struggles, better.
I also don’t believe that you don’t give a fuck what I believe, I see you everywhere, arguing with everyone, about this, and adjacent issues. Then, when you can’t make a convincing argument, you call them liberals, claim you don’t care, and run off to the next argument, about this.
I mean, there’s no singular reason for Kamala’s loss - but abstentions over the middle east were still a reasonably noteworthy problem for the campaign.
With that being said… more broadly, people are just generally awful and a lot of people bury their heads in the sand rather than acknowledging how backwards the majority really are.
This happens a lot when on all major platforms, there’s nothing (not discussion, not ballot initiatives, not informational pieces about causes) that allow you to take direct action. When things broke out in Ukraine and Russia invaded there were people who jumped on planes to go fight. People were posting donation pages everywhere. People were actively rallying against actions they felt were wrong with avenues to help that were meaningful and available to the average human being.
We just don’t have that in any political election and since it’s a lot of the smaller elections that matter, it’s important to note this deficiency. People who feel a call to action, but not a way to enact change get overwhelmed and despair. Lemmy is one of the only places I see giving information about candidates in local and rural elections (and even that isn’t wide spread and mostly happens on community pages like the one for people from Maine or Chicago, or wherever.
Maybe I am too european but I have seen two people lose to Trump and one overwhelming win against him and only one of those had a penis.
I almost can’t blame them. A majority of Americans voted for fascism and racism. These are their customers.
The “almost” in this statement is absolutely crucial. Nicely done.
A majority of American citizens who voted…that’s an important distinction. Roughly 29% of voting age american citizens and 22% of all american citizens - a sizeable minority but a minority nonetheless - voted for fascism and racism.
Well the ones who didn’t vote obviously weren’t too bothered by fascism and racism either, apparently
Yeah, fair point. Or saw that both sides probably lead to the same end eventually.
Or saw that both sides probably lead to the same end eventually.
Get out of here with that false equivalency bullshit. Trump’s cabinet picks so far are a Russian propaganda parroter for head of CIA, an anti-vax and raw milk advocate for Health and Human Services, a white supremacist tattooed person for Defense secretary and a suspected pedophile that is having their ethics hearing results blocked for Attorney General.
Do you even think for a hot second that Harris would have make such unqualified and toxic choices for her cabinet?
Eventually, not immediately. Harris would have been vastly more sane, more status quo. But it would’ve been kicking the can…even if Trump lost now, another Trump would run - and win - down the road. At least with Trump the insanity is out in the open. I mean these cabinet picks are insane. It would be funnier if we didn’t have to live with the consequences.
At least with Trump the insanity is out in the open. I mean these cabinet picks are insane. It would be funnier if we didn’t have to live with the consequences.
Do you not get that Trump will likely get two more Supreme court appointments? The third branch of our government is locked into conservative hands for the next 30 to 40 years now regardless of who gets elected afterward.
Yo, shit is fucked up, I agree. I fully understand the damage that this Cheeto can and probably will do.
Going after the coveted racist bot market.
They don’t care where the money comes from, and at this point they know there’s no cost to their reputation for doing shit like this either.
Horrible timing. Millions are leaving and going to BlueSky.
ads are not allowed on Bluesky. that is the reason.
Yet…
“X’s owner now has the ear of the president-elect, a man who has a long history of helping his friends, and punishing his enemies,” said Max Willens, senior analyst, at Emarketer. “Sending at least a trickle of ad spending toward X may be seen as good for business, albeit in an indirect way.”
There’s the article in a nutshell. Give Elmo money or face the wrath of the Diaper-in-Chief.
Terrorists win!
…wait, but I wasn’t playing socom…
Nuh-uh! Americans can’t be terrorists cuz Americans kill the terrorist, like Malcolm X and Jamal Khashoggi… Wait, are we the bad guys?
Always have been.
In reality this is just them playing along, if anyone were to do anything drastic to these companies they would have a very bad time.
Bending the knee
It doesn’t work that way with advertising. They need to go where their customers go. Bots don’t buy.
They don’t need to advertise anywhere.
They’re going to twitter for a reason.“X’s owner now has the ear of the president-elect, a man who has a long history of helping his friends, and punishing his enemies,” said Max Willens, senior analyst, at Emarketer
But Twitter has been bleeding users. And since the election there has been a very public and very large exodus, including a lot of bigger names with tons of followers. So this isn’t about “go where the viewers are.” This is “spend money to stay on the good side of someone who might be even more inordinately powerful with an incredibly powerful and vengeful sidekick.”
This isn’t advertising, it’s tribute.
It’s sending a sacrificial pawn so the tyrant doesn’t think of their absence.
And lifting their a## up, so they are better accessible
Cupping the balls.
They can eat their shit
This is beautiful! It’s like a textbook example for everyone paying attention to draw crisp conclusions for how the system works.
if people haven’t caught that half the shit we ready in the headlines is literally means nothing slop at this point, i don’t know man… just take me to the fucking farm already, put me out of my misery
Takes sunzu2 to the farm, and hooks them up to the milking machine
…what? I can’t kill you for meat. Nobody eats human meat. But I can milk ya!
in the future, it i will be a privilege to die
i am not joking either.
May as well it’s not like they’ll be paying for many impressions.
Had Kamela won, Musk would have been bankrupt within years, likely in jail too (his own words)
Instead of that, loads of people decided to listen to a fraidster thief rapist, and not vote for Harris.
Now we’re here and I’m so so tired.
likely in jail too (his own words)
Yes, but not for the reasons he claimed.
He would be in jail for actual criminality, not for his political opinions.
I dropped Xitter as soon as it became apparent that Elon was going to buy it and started pirating Disney (and everyone else) shortly after. Couldn’t tell you the last time I bought anything IBM but I’ll have to be more careful about it. I’m switching to a local fiber provider so I’m leaving comcast in a couple of weeks.
Is it bad that for a brief moment when you said you were switching to a local fiber provider, I thought you were talking about making sure you tdke healthy poops?
Haha. I’m working on that too. Finally starting to lose fat.
…wait, what? You’re pooping so much you’re losing FAT? Like, I’ve heard that sometimes people get backed up, and it’s extra weight. But the weight is still fecies. Elvis was said to have had over 25lbs of backed up fecies inside him when he died.
But you’re saying you’re pooping so much that your body is burning fat??? Thst’s…that equally impressive as it is worrying. How hard are you pushing??? God damn!!!
Oligarchs get cozy with oligarchs, what a shocker.
People aren’t moving away from it. Of course they come back
So pretty much everyone, who’s already got a reputation for being shit, or has fallen from grace completely, has returned. No surprises there
of course they are, they might as well lick his asshole while they are at it. big corporations will always without exception do whatever is necessary to survive.
